Once again, we're talking about a movie here. All I want is an entertaining movie.
Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Nimoy in Star Trek 3
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Once again, we're talking about a movie here. All I want is an entertaining movie.
As do I but I want to be entertained by the new cast, the old cast has entertained me enough and it time for the new ones too without them getting overshadowed by the old cast that has 79 episodes and 6 films under their belt.
Whilst neither loving nor disliking the new movies, I really couldn't give a stuff about the new cast. They're never going to be doing anything but fill other peoples shoes.
I'd complete the trilogy, include Nimoy and Shatner and then pull the plug on the JJverse.
but technically, star trek xi wasn't a continuation of the original star trek universe and not even a prequel of tos... they literally created a new reality where everything started back from the start.
it's a remake like Nolan's Batman but, in a way, it's a more honest reboot/remake of the original because they explicitly state that it's AU and thus their own version.
yeah, but by the time they start filming Zoe had given birth already (my bet is november)
maybe her baby/babies (because it's rumored she's having twins) could play the baby, lol
The critics would have a blast if the trilogy ended with them having a kid. Talk about bold and new and unique to this timeline. It would be a great idea because by doing that they'd essentially create a new shiny character that could definitely inspire future movies/television series (especially since this cast won't be available forever)
also, to me it makes way more sense for Spock to be the one who has a kid here than Kirk (like many assume or take too for granted due to the Kirk/Carol thing from twok). At least, Spock and Uhura DO already have a relationship and they had been together for a number of years already. Their kid would also be in part vulcan and thus alien, which is good because, honestly, this franchise has already too many humans.
I doubt that the writers have the guts to do that, though.
No way.
Zoe would have given birth by the time the film goes into production. I think it is best they do not do any story line of pregnancy. remember star wars episode 3, the lead female character Padme was pregnant through out and the writing got sloppy and very male dominated.
I sure hope the bosses and paramount also does not force zoe to loose any of her pregnancy weight fast, I think she will be better with a little more weight on her body like TOS uhura.
Apparently they may focus their attention on Shatner and may tell him to get in shape and loose the pounds like Disney telling Carrie Fisher to loose 30 pounds to get back into the role of princess leia. Shatner may get the same treatment.
I am neither for nor against Shatner and Nimoy in ST3
One thing is for sure. It's impossible to talk about Shatner and Nimoy without knowing the story (if that happens). We are all just speculating here. I have no idea what Orci are doing to bring them back again. So, there are many things that we just don't know either. I prefer to wait to have more details.
One thing is for sure. It's impossible to talk about Shatner and Nimoy without knowing the story (if that happens). We are all just speculating here. I have no idea what Orci are doing to bring them back again. So, there are many things that we just don't know either. I prefer to wait to have more details.
Not really: Adam West is probably more iconic to the role than Michael Keaton. Also, Keaton / Burton were around for only two movies, which were immediately followed by two (horrible) movies by Joel Schumacher in which Batman was played *two* different people (Val Kilmer and George Clooney). As I said: no one blinked an eye. Had no one but Adam West played Batman for 40 years before Nolan's movies, it might have been a different issue.
Tuvok?
or (my favorite) Obama 
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the woman has amazing genes and rather than gaining a lot of weight she is just more curvy and soft and they shouldn't mind that
she's the most trained of them all anyway (past dancer, nuff said)
not that I expect Uhura&co to take part in some big action scenes but yeah... they won't have to force her
I do not understand. All I said is zoe may now start to resemble TOS Uhura in physical appearance. Quinto looks like Nimoy in physicality they are both tall and slander and chris pine was asked to bulk up by paramount to look more like TOS Kirk.
So I genuinely want to know what I am doing wrong by saying by the time trek 3 rolls in AOS Uhura may now have the physicality of her TOS counter part .
Perhaps I did not phrase my words well but I do not mean to be disrespectful to anyone or to imply anything negative about women and their weight.
I apologize if you my words were not clear.
Saldana does fine with the character. She's a different body type than Nichols.
Nimoy was scrawny. Quinto is a lot beefier. The body types don't matter.
Technically it was.
The same writers who blew up Vulcan?
Why not talk about them having a child, with Spock feeling more impetus due to the loss of Vulcan, and the population of Vulcan needing help.
Even Spock Prime could be in there, discussing his regret over not being a parent, or a discussion along those lines. You can address the emotions that nuSpock feels, the regret, the worry, and the like over feeling like he needs to have a child, yet feels a duty towards Starfleet. Uhura can likewise look at the long term implications of their goals, and their relationships.
Yeah, I can see this working out very well in the trilogy's arc
Zoe is incredible, but i think she does not look much like her tos counterpart, but you could be right her body type is just different. she may be a naturally born petite woman.
The same writers who blew up Vulcan?
"This was the gutsiest thing that we did. Blowing up Vulcan was nothing compared to saying, 'Spock and Uhura are in love with each other and having this incredibly intimate relationship.'" - DVD commentary
That would be very interesting and take advantage of the potential that the alternate reality provides.Why not talk about them having a child, with Spock feeling more impetus due to the loss of Vulcan, and the population of Vulcan needing help.
Even Spock Prime could be in there, discussing his regret over not being a parent, or a discussion along those lines. You can address the emotions that nuSpock feels, the regret, the worry, and the like over feeling like he needs to have a child, yet feels a duty towards Starfleet. Uhura can likewise look at the long term implications of their goals, and their relationships.
Yeah, I can see this working out very well in the trilogy's arc
The fun should precisely be exploring the differences and what ifs
and for Spock who is the most complex, it would be more poignant because on one hand, you have the young one living his conflicts and insecurities (due to his relationship with Sarek and the way he was treated since he was a kid, he'd be scared that his kid would have to face the same) on the other hand there is Spock prime who has regrets and has to see another version of himself get what he never got and he doesn't want to interfere but he doesn't want this Spock to suffer like him.
For Uhura it would also be a way for the character to have something she wanted in TOS too but circumstances didn't make it so for her. It was written in biographies that tos Uhura loved her job and was happy about her career but she regretted the fact she didn't allow herself to have a relationship and start a family, especially when she saw that other officers managed to have both a career and personal life and didn't have to make a choice.
But I have a feeling the writers will never use this potential, they a bit want to have the cake and eat it too with the alt reality.
Now with these rumors about cameos of Shatner and Nimoy, combined with them using khan in stid, I have a feeling the third movie will be another wasted opportunity.
It's a pity because after the destruction of vulcan they could have created SO MANY new stories using the repercussions of what happened to the vulcans as a catalyst, they really didn't need to use old stories.
The problem is, also, that as much as the reboot has two protagonists, Kirk is still developed as the only protagonist. All the attention Spock got in the first movie was an exception but not the rule. There was an article about that and the fact that the writers refuse to admit that perhaps Spock should be the hero of this trilogy because he provides more potential for new stories.
There is also Orci now saying that the characters will be closer to tos, this doesn't make me so hopeful to see new stories and them being 'bold' with the characters.
This Spock (and the rest of the characters) will never be like the TOS one and Orci is the one that showed us WHY. The death of his mother and destroying vulcan as well as the talk he had with Sarek had destroyed, also, one of the main issues tos Spock had. That was his wrong perception of the vulcans and his belief that his feelings were entirely a human weakness. This Spock has his father telling him the truth and that he doesn't have to try to be like him (a vulcan and unfeeling) because he already is (sarek's a vulcan and he admits he has feelings too) it resolved something fundamental for the character.
Furthermore, the death of his mother might make him all more defensive about his human side because it's everything he has left of her now.
He has his own integrity as a character to respect now.
Making him too much like TOS Spock now would reduce him to a caricature.
Keep their spirit and some similarities but also don't hand wave away that your characters are facing circumstances that the previous version never did.
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The same writers who blew up Vulcan?
"This was the gutsiest thing that we did. Blowing up Vulcan was nothing compared to saying, 'Spock and Uhura are in love with each other and having this incredibly intimate relationship.'" - DVD commentary
That would be very interesting and take advantage of the potential that the alternate reality provides.Why not talk about them having a child, with Spock feeling more impetus due to the loss of Vulcan, and the population of Vulcan needing help.
Even Spock Prime could be in there, discussing his regret over not being a parent, or a discussion along those lines. You can address the emotions that nuSpock feels, the regret, the worry, and the like over feeling like he needs to have a child, yet feels a duty towards Starfleet. Uhura can likewise look at the long term implications of their goals, and their relationships.
Yeah, I can see this working out very well in the trilogy's arc
The fun should precisely be exploring the differences and what ifs
and for Spock who is the most complex, it would be more poignant because on one hand, you have the young one living his conflicts and insecurities (due to his relationship with Sarek and the way he was treated since he was a kid, he'd be scared that his kid would have to face the same) on the other hand there is Spock prime who has regrets and has to see another version of himself get what he never got and he doesn't want to interfere but he doesn't want this Spock to suffer like him.
For Uhura it would also be a way for the character to have something she wanted in TOS too but circumstances didn't make it so for her. It was written in biographies that tos Uhura loved her job and was happy about her career but she regretted the fact she didn't allow herself to have a relationship and start a family, especially when she saw that other officers managed to have both a career and personal life and didn't have to make a choice.
But I have a feeling the writers will never use this potential, they a bit want to have the cake and eat it too with the alt reality.
Now with these rumors about cameos of Shatner and Nimoy, combined with them using khan in stid, I have a feeling the third movie will be another wasted opportunity.
It's a pity because after the destruction of vulcan they could have created SO MANY new stories using the repercussions of what happened to the vulcans as a catalyst, they really didn't need to use old stories.
The problem is, also, that as much as the reboot has two protagonists, Kirk is still developed as the only protagonist. All the attention Spock got in the first movie was an exception but not the rule. There was an article about that and the fact that the writers refuse to admit that perhaps Spock should be the hero of this trilogy because he provides more potential for new stories.
There is also Orci now saying that the characters will be closer to tos, this doesn't make me so hopeful to see new stories and them being 'bold' with the characters.
This Spock (and the rest of the characters) will never be like the TOS one and Orci is the one that showed us WHY. The death of his mother and destroying vulcan as well as the talk he had with Sarek had destroyed, also, one of the main issues tos Spock had. That was his wrong perception of the vulcans and his belief that his feelings were entirely a human weakness. This Spock has his father telling him the truth and that he doesn't have to try to be like him (a vulcan and unfeeling) because he already is (sarek's a vulcan and he admits he has feelings too) it resolved something fundamental for the character.
Furthermore, the death of his mother might make him all more defensive about his human side because it's everything he has left of her now.
He has his own integrity as a character to respect now.
Making him too much like TOS Spock now would reduce him to a caricature.
Keep their spirit and some similarities but also don't hand wave away that your characters are facing circumstances that the previous version never did.
I'd be happy for Spock and Uhura to have a baby as long as they don't keep talking about their relationship and feelings and how Spock needs to change to be acceptable to Uhura and Kirk. Please no more relationship drama. I have RL to hear about everyone's lousy husband/boyfriend.
That would be very interesting and take advantage of the potential that the alternate reality provides.[...]
Why not talk about them having a child, with Spock feeling more impetus due to the loss of Vulcan, and the population of Vulcan needing help.
Even Spock Prime could be in there, discussing his regret over not being a parent, or a discussion along those lines. You can address the emotions that nuSpock feels, the regret, the worry, and the like over feeling like he needs to have a child, yet feels a duty towards Starfleet. Uhura can likewise look at the long term implications of their goals, and their relationships.
Yeah, I can see this working out very well in the trilogy's arc
The fun should precisely be exploring the differences and what ifs
and for Spock who is the most complex, it would be more poignant because on one hand, you have the young one living his conflicts and insecurities (due to his relationship with Sarek and the way he was treated since he was a kid, he'd be scared that his kid would have to face the same) on the other hand there is Spock prime who has regrets and has to see another version of himself get what he never got and he doesn't want to interfere but he doesn't want this Spock to suffer like him.
For Uhura it would also be a way for the character to have something she wanted in TOS too but circumstances didn't make it so for her. It was written in biographies that tos Uhura loved her job and was happy about her career but she regretted the fact she didn't allow herself to have a relationship and start a family, especially when she saw that other officers managed to have both a career and personal life and didn't have to make a choice.
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I'd be happy for Spock and Uhura to have a baby as long as they don't keep talking about their relationship and feelings and how Spock needs to change to be acceptable to Uhura and Kirk. Please no more relationship drama. I have RL to hear about everyone's lousy husband/boyfriend.
A baby just would not work.not in a 2 hr film with so much action.
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Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
Oh, Ye of Little Faith...but you are probably right. Still, one Never Knows. As we have all seen, the World of Star Trek is ever a surprise, and the 50th is hurtling towards us.
Oh, Ye of Little Faith...but you are probably right. Still, one Never Knows. As we have all seen, the World of Star Trek is ever a surprise, and the 50th is hurtling towards us.
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