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Roads not traveled?

Warped9

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One more companion thread.

When I first heard of TNG I recall the idea of the 1701D on a 10-20 year voyage, and hence an acceptable reason for having families aboard. They would stop in only at remote Federation and Starfleet outposts when need be, and certainly never return to Earth and familiar space until the end of the voyage. This sounds like such a cool idea.

Any other roads you think TNG could have gone down other than the one we're familiar with?
 
Well, this isn't exactly a pacifist Star Trek idea, but I would have had a war with a story arc lasting a whole season.
 
I sort of wish they'd taken better advantage of DS9 being on at the same time and done a better crossover arc than the Maquis story.
 
I sort of wish they'd taken better advantage of DS9 being on at the same time and done a better crossover arc than the Maquis story.


I agree. The Maquis had such potential and while they were used as the "villian of the week" often enough on Deep Space Nine, I never thought the writers on either show gave the situation ENOUGH air time. To get the audiance fully invested in what was going on, I think it would have taken more of an explanation and more detail. Okay, I get the fact that the UFP is an idealistic society....etc.... but if you have trained starfleet officers defecting to take up their cause, the sitaution would have been rich with storylines. Instead everytime they revisited it after DS9's Defiant, the whole idea of UFP citizens effectively fighting against their own government to be able to fight against ANOTHER government really was poorly used.
 
One more companion thread.

When I first heard of TNG I recall the idea of the 1701D on a 10-20 year voyage, and hence an acceptable reason for having families aboard. They would stop in only at remote Federation and Starfleet outposts when need be, and certainly never return to Earth and familiar space until the end of the voyage. This sounds like such a cool idea.

Any other roads you think TNG could have gone down other than the one we're familiar with?

Thing is, TNG got better when it abandoned the TOS/space western feel of the first two seasons and starting actually fleshing out the Trek universe as it did from season three onward. Putting the Enterprise out on a VOY-style deep space mission would have prevented this positive change from ever happening.
 
One more companion thread.

When I first heard of TNG I recall the idea of the 1701D on a 10-20 year voyage, and hence an acceptable reason for having families aboard. They would stop in only at remote Federation and Starfleet outposts when need be, and certainly never return to Earth and familiar space until the end of the voyage. This sounds like such a cool idea.

Any other roads you think TNG could have gone down other than the one we're familiar with?

Thing is, TNG got better when it abandoned the TOS/space western feel of the first two seasons and starting actually fleshing out the Trek universe as it did from season three onward. Putting the Enterprise out on a VOY-style deep space mission would have prevented this positive change from ever happening.
It wasn't the stories that hurt early TNG. It was the execution.

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What if TNG had adhered closer to its initial concept of a 10-20 year voyage? Could such an approach have conceivably canceled out any future possibility for a series such as VOY? What if some of David Gerrold’s ideas been more prominant?
 
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I remember reading that the Ent D was to have been reassigned (during a later series cliff hanger) to special museum duties only to have then been destroyed on its last mission, with the saucer crashing as in Generations. Not sure if the rationale was to give us a new cinema friendly ship, but they decided it couldn't be done effectively on the episode budget.
 
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What if TNG had adhered closer to its initial concept of a 10-20 year voyage? Could such an approach have conceivably canceled out any future possibility for a series such as VOY? What if some of David Gerrold’s ideas been more prominant?

That has nothing to do with your hateful signature!
 
Thing is, TNG got better when it abandoned the TOS/space western feel of the first two seasons and starting actually fleshing out the Trek universe as it did from season three onward. Putting the Enterprise out on a VOY-style deep space mission would have prevented this positive change from ever happening.
It wasn't the stories that hurt early TNG. It was the execution.

partially, yes... i mean, i think the show got a better budget after season 2 and that undoubtedly helped a lot... but i think that the quality of the stories got better too.

as for the idea of a 10 - 20 year voyage... that sounds a lot like just taking TOS and changing it a bit. it seems kinda dumb to just take the same thing and do it over again... you say that contemporary trek has failed because it fails to do the same things that TOS did... maybe it's better that the new trek shows have branched out a bit and expanded the world that TOS first started to explore.

and you know... the title of this thread made me think of the robert frost poem "the road not taken"... it kind of pertains to this thread...

"i shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence
Two roads diverged in a wood and i--
I took the road less traveled by
And that has made all the difference."
 
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"Contemporary Trek has failed" = WTF
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What if TNG had adhered closer to its initial concept of a 10-20 year voyage? Could such an approach have conceivably canceled out any future possibility for a series such as VOY? What if some of David Gerrold’s ideas been more prominant?

That has nothing to do with your hateful signature!
:rolleyes: I've explained this sooo many times I'm just not bothering anymore. If you can't deal with a dissenting opinion then that is your issue and not mine.
 
I consider there to basically be three rules for making a good Trek series:

1) Tell a good, entertaining story.
2) Exploration is about space, but is a metaphor for the exploration of humanity.
3) Maintain believability and consistency.

Now those are pretty simply stated, but I think those are the three rules that TPTB must adhere to beyond everything else. Fears of maintaining the franchise and the Trekkie fanbase while attracting new viewers won't be a problem if you instead focus on those three goals first and foremost.

I see TNG as a sequel to TOS, in both theme and substance, especially after having read the Phase II bible. Indeed, I think I prefer that TNG was made instead of Phase II, because to me, Phase II felt like a sequel series rather than TOS Part II, the latter of which I personally would have wanted if the old cast was being utilized. Despite being a fan of Jon Povill, I'm not completely confident in the overall quality of Phase II, and I'm relatively confident that there would not have been succeeding Trek movies/series afterward. Speculation, of course. ;)

Do I think that the TNG production successfully pulled this sequel-to-TOS thing off, though? Not completely. De-emphasizing the "boldly going" bit was definitely a shame. I mean, the spirit was there, especially early on, but I think one thing that most people don't realize is that TNG changed the franchise's focus. I think on TNG the characters and universe of Trek itself began taking precedence over the actual stories, which I ultimately conclude was a mistake.

Now, I think this is where I see the franchise differently than many people: to me, DS9 and VGR are spinoffs of TNG rather than sequels, a spinoff being defined as a show that is created from an original, similar show sharing the same "universe" but with a different, specific goal in mind. I'd say "Law and Order," a favorite of mine, is a good model for franchise comparison. True, DS9 was launched from TNG, and VGR from DS9, but I'd still argue that since the latter two were both set in the same universe of TNG, both were spinoffs of TNG.

Therefore, I'd have liked to have seen TNG as the show that carried on the "boldly going" spirit of TOS, and really went out there. Leave the inter-UFP political stuff for DS9, since they did that so well anyway.

Some have also proposed before the "ER" approach to TNG - that is, write out new characters as old actors want to leave, promote everyone left up the chain, and bring in new characters to fill out the ranks. Personally, I'm fine with this. "Law and Order," again, has done this pretty well IMO. I would honestly have not minded if TNG continued to run concurrently with DS9 and VGR so long as the three shows presented distinctly different types of stories. Like with "Law and Order," there are certain stories and formats that each show would focus on, and the others would avoid doing, but they are all, generally, about the same thing.

I think, also, that taking TNG to the movies was also a mistake, especially since, again, what was offered in the TNG movies was not the same as what was offered on the show. I mean, they blew up the ship because they wanted a new one! Compare that to the IMO emotional scene in TSFS and to me the TOS movies are still light years ahead.

There aren't very many changes I would have made to the original cast of TNG, but there are a few big ones. I would have made LaForge the engineer from the start, and Worf the pilot. I would have fought to kept Yar, and generally try to flesh out the characters more in the first season. I would have also put Data in blue, but keep him as ops officer, as a sort of quiet acknowledgment that he is the thematic descendant of Spock. Wesley would have never been an acting ensign - he might have had a job on the bridge, doing the sort of "back of the bridge" stufff Worf often did.

My main changes would have been in regard to Troi. I always felt that she was a great idea, and I like Marina Sirtis, but she was just misused in every way. I'm of two minds about having her as a Starfleet officer; if she is one, she needs a uniform. It can be a more female uniform (read: dress) but should not be the "bunny suits" that she was so infamous for. I would have dropped the empathetic angle, but kept her an alien. She would have a doctorate in psychology, and still be the daughter of a famous ambassador. I would give her more of the Spock characteristics; she would be the one who possessed the logical, analytical mind (while Data would remain the encyclopedia) and would advise in matters of first contact and general well-being of the overall crew. I'm tempted to make her a civilian advisor of some kind, but I'd hate to make her a Soviet Politlcal Officer.
 
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