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Spoilers Riverdale

@Christopher What scandal? Penelope and Clifford clearly didn't care, and Alice's reaction was based more on the fact that she hates both Penelope and Clifford with the passion of a thousand suns than anything else.

I really liked the revelation and the craziness it adds to this world, but I don't think it's helpful to the narrative when the motivation for doing it was based on the perception that it is somehow 'taboo' (per creator Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa's own admission). I also don't think it's narratively helpful for viewers to fall into a similar mindset.

What's most interesting about the situation is the impact it could potentially have on the complicated history that exists between Alice and Penelope and Betty, Polly, and Cheryl, and the way that it alters, in hindsight, pretty much every action taken by the families involved going right back to the day that Jason and Polly first met.
 
It occurred to me to wonder if Betty being a Blossom might explain her Dark Betty side -- maybe she inherited a touch of that family's general craziness. But then I realized, Hal would be the source of her Blossom genes (since he's the one with the Cooper name by birth), but Alice is the crazier and nastier of her parents.


@Christopher What scandal? Penelope and Clifford clearly didn't care, and Alice's reaction was based more on the fact that she hates both Penelope and Clifford with the passion of a thousand suns than anything else.

Again, I am not endorsing the point of view, merely stating the fact that the characters perceived it as a potential motive. And it did not actually turn out to be a motive, since the Blossoms didn't actually care. So you're making too big a deal over this.
 
I'm objecting to the general perception that there's something wrong with Jason and Polly's relationship due to the fact that they're 3rd Cousins, but you're right; I probably am making more of this than I should, although I'm as focused on it as I am largely because I think basing the conversation about the revelations of Blossom/Cooper familial ties around perceived societal taboos kind of misses the point and detracts from the broader implications of said revelations on the characters themselves and on the narrative going forward.
 
Well, if Grandpappy Cooper was heir to the land and potentially a share in the company that was stolen by his brother, Grandpappy Blossom, then it's logical that the Cooper's might be able to claim compensation in some form, though I expect the Blossom's would fight tooth and nail to stop it.
 
Well, if Grandpappy Cooper was heir to the land and potentially a share in the company that was stolen by his brother, Grandpappy Blossom, then it's logical that the Cooper's might be able to claim compensation in some form, though I expect the Blossom's would fight tooth and nail to stop it.
Hal's father and then Hal would have inherited it, them being related to the Blossoms was only a secret to outsiders, if they had an actual claim they would have made that long ago.

As of this episode we also know the maple sirup buisness was just a front for their actual drug business and who would want to claim drug money?
 
As of this episode we also know the maple sirup buisness was just a front for their actual drug business and who would want to claim drug money?

We don't know enough about the situation to conclude that. That's one possibility; it could also be that the drugs are a recent sideline. Or there could be some other explanation altogether. There's still one episode left in the season, and this may be setting up an arc for next season, for all we know. So it's best to wait for more information before drawing conclusions.
 
That was chock full of happenings and revelations, I didn't expect it to move at such a pace and reveal the killer but I'm glad it did, leaving an entire episode for denouement.

We still don't know why Jason was killed, nor what the Blossom/Lodge conflict was all about, I'm guessing the latter will be explored with Hiram's return, and the former might still be connected to it...
 
For anybody who might've been speculating about Sabrina the Teenage Witch being brought into the show, it can officially be said that, contrary to rumors, the character is not showing up anytime soon.

Not only were the "spoilers" that gave rise to rumors about her imminent arrival proven to be false with the revelation of Clifford Blossom as Jason's murderer (said "spoilers" had claimed it was Hal), Marisol Nichols (Hermione Lodge) was a guest on the Afterbuzz TV Network's dedicated Riverdale aftershow yesterday evening (Thursday) and flat-out debunked the Sabrina rumors, stating that the introduction of a character like Sabrina would happen "seasons down the line".
 
We don't know enough about the situation to conclude that. That's one possibility; it could also be that the drugs are a recent sideline. Or there could be some other explanation altogether. There's still one episode left in the season, and this may be setting up an arc for next season, for all we know. So it's best to wait for more information before drawing conclusions.
I think we know enough. The extended Blossom family descending upon Thornhill after Jason's death because of the family business seemed a bit weird when we thought about it as a maple sirup empire. Why not hire an outsider to manage the business in the absence of an heir for example? Why do they they need a Blossom to run the business personally? The families reaction makes the most sense when the true business is about drugs, they'd want to keep that in the family and it explains why Clifford losing his heir apparent could lead to him losing control of the business altogether.
 
With the revelation of a generations-past familial link between the Blossoms and the Coopers, the attitudes on display in La Grande Illusion take on a different context and nuance, because the threat of losing control of the family empire is crystallized in Hal, even though he clearly wants nothing to do with that branch of his family tree.

It also now becomes clear that Clifford knew about the whispers being spread about his grip on the family empire slipping as a result of his decision to try and 'groom' Cheryl - which he had to have made before killin her brother - and his reaching out to Archie was a 'contingency play' to find somebody whom the family could be made to feel comfortable with as a figurehead while Cheryl was really put in charge.
 
It also now becomes clear that Clifford knew about the whispers being spread about his grip on the family empire slipping as a result of his decision to try and 'groom' Cheryl - which he had to have made before killin her brother - and his reaching out to Archie was a 'contingency play' to find somebody whom the family could be made to feel comfortable with as a figurehead while Cheryl was really put in charge.

This is borderline Godfather-level stuff. Cheryl as Michael? Jason as Fredo? Archie as Tom Hagen? :)
 
Man, the finale was gripping. Especially the scene on the river ice, the gang's rescue of Cheryl. I was on the edge of my seat from the moment Veronica got that text. I feel so sad for Cheryl. She's so damaged by her surroundings and her parents. And Madelaine Petsch did a great job playing her eerily serene and controlled persona with a river of anguish underneath.

But what was Veronica thinking leaving her alone (or with Hermione, which might as well have been leaving her alone) after a suicide attempt? She should've had someone with her at all times. Heck, she should've been in the hospital after nearly drowning in a frozen river.

That glitch aside, this episode carried on with the thread I love most about this show, which is how fundamentally good and heroic the four core characters are, how much they care and try to help people despite all the craziness their parents' generation subjects them to. I'm really glad this show found the secret to having loads of drama and conflict without having all the characters be total jerks -- which is to have the supporting characters be even bigger jerks so that the main characters can be more noble while still having problems created by all the other characters.

I guess Cheryl's the contrast to the core foursome, the one who was broken by what her parents put her through. There but for the grace of God went Veronica, I imagine. Though V is ultimately stronger. When her pampered life fell apart, she decided on her own to be a better person, and she's been awesome at it. Cheryl's response to adversity was rather more destructive. I'm sure V will try to help her turn it around as she did, but I think Cheryl is broken too deep down to be easily healed, even with friends like Veronica and Archie willing to help her.

I suspect Betty's long-lost, adopted brother will be a plot thread next season. Although I guess the big mystery, at least to start with, will be "Who shot Fred?" (hopefully non-fatally -- I think the producers said the crime featured next season wouldn't be a murder). This is yet another crime in which Hiram Lodge is bound to be a suspect, given all Hermione's warnings about them not getting along.

Meanwhile, they were going all-out with the pop-culture references. Jughead's opening narration referenced the famous Scooby-Doo "meddling kids" line -- which is ironic, because Scooby-Doo (as I may have mentioned before) was initially conceived as a knockoff of Filmation's The Archie Show. They also referenced Heroes -- "Archie Andrews, who saved the cheerleader and saved the town." And Jughead's line about "the whole multiverse" telling him to move to the Southside may have been a wink toward the Berlanti DC shows, or just toward the popularity of multiverses in comics. I think there were one or two more that I noted at the time but can't remember now.

And we got a couple of long-awaited Archie Comics allusions at last. We finally saw Jughead in his iconic pose of chomping down on a hamburger, and we got a cameo by Hot Dog, who was introduced in The Archie Show as Jughead's pet dog and was then added to the comics (putting him in the same category as other broadcast-to-comics characters like Jimmy Olsen, Harley Quinn, and Phil Coulson).


All in all, I'm amazed by how hooked I've gotten on this show, given that I'm not a big Archie fan or a big fan of this kind of soapy teen drama sans SF/fantasy elements. It's just been really well-done, engrossingly written and very well cast. I think the folks who do the casting for Berlanti Productions deserve a lot of the credit for its shows' success. They have a knack for finding people who are really great for their roles.
 
And Jughead's line about "the whole multiverse" telling him to move to the Southside may have been a wink toward the Berlanti DC shows, or just toward the popularity of multiverses in comics.

There's an actual Archie multiverse, and it was a plot point in the Life With Archie series a few years ago, about parallel timelines in which Archie married Betty or Veronica depending. (That was the series where Archie died; in both timelines, he took a bullet for Senator Kevin Keller.) Dilton disappeared, because he was exploring the multiverse.
 
^I was wondering if it might be a nod to Jughead's Time Patrol, but that works too.

EDIT: Sorry, I meant Jughead's Time Police. Time Patrol was a Poul Anderson prose series.
 
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Still wondering if Joaquin will be Betty's missing brother - or whether he'll turn up as part of Jughead's foster family.
 
Still wondering if Joaquin will be Betty's missing brother - or whether he'll turn up as part of Jughead's foster family.

As Betty said, her brother would be in his mid-20s by now. I assume Joaquin is a teenager, otherwise his relationship with Kevin would be statutory rape, the same as "Ms. Grundy's" with Archie.

The problem with shows like this is that it's easy to forget the 20-something actors are supposed to be 15- or 16-year-olds. The bit about Jughead needing to go to a foster home surprised me because it's hard to think of him as a child.

Speaking of which, I wondered before why they didn't take Cheryl to a hospital after her suicide attempt, but it's also occurred to me to wonder why they didn't call their parents or the police or somebody for help as soon as they got that text. Within the context of the fiction, I love how these kids are the heroes of the show, but from a more realistic standpoint, it was irresponsible of them not to call for help right away.
 
What caught me off guard is that the town itself seems to be growing as needed to fit plot points.. I figured "Southside" was just that part of town that was on the "other side of the tracks"... But now Riverdale is big enough for two high schools? That would put the population around 40-50,000, at minimum.. But it's never seemed that big.. I don't remember if there's another high school in the comics or not.. The town itself is a pretty setting.. I need to look up where it's actually filmed..

I wonder if Jug will embrace his new found compatriots at SSHS, as he seems to have won them over pretty quickly.. Plus, he's now built up some cred with the Serpents... But I'm sure Betty will do her best to bring him back..

This show has really hooked me as well. Never thought it would be more than a curiousity.. lol
 
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