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Rick Berman's an ***hole
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Holy ****, Bennett was a substance abuser too? You learn something new every day on the 'Net.
Holy ****, Bennett was a substance abuser too? You learn something new every day on the 'Net.
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That's bullshit man! You get drunk and the next day you're back to normal. That's the same as Insurrection! Rick Berman you asshole, look what you did to the continuity of this thread!
Edit: Who the hell compares Rick Berman to Pablo Picasso?
That's bullshit man! You get drunk and the next day you're back to normal. That's the same as Insurrection! Rick Berman you asshole, look what you did to the continuity of this thread!
I'm sure one of his 6 or 7 wives and/or girlfriends said it at least once.
Edit: Who the hell compares Rick Berman to Pablo Picasso?
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Oh wow, I never knew any of that. Glad to hear they buried the hatchet, though.
Oh wow, I never knew any of that. Glad to hear they buried the hatchet, though.
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I think the Bird was right. The TOS and TNG crews were doing what they loved, and when you get a group of people together on a project in those terms, you do see a lot more cooperative spirit - not perfect, but it really does flow a lot like an Enterprise crew.
It's when people are forced into work they dislike, for scarcity and survival, that the pressure of that builds up over time and the behavior is far worse, staff are late, negligent, etc.
Admittedly, Roddenberry's vision was aiming high. That was the point. That IS Star Trek. Its not about aliens or phasers or any of that fun stuff we love.
Take the Utopian/Humanist vision out of Star Trek, and you've lost the vital soul of it.
As for Berman, I disagree with some of the decisions, but at least he understood what Star Trek is about and kept it whole.
Your "blinders about human nature" are nothing more than a philosophical disagreement. Now we live in a world where every TV show is either CSI, or a reality show of mid-to-low-IQ people conniving against each other. Are these shows a better representation of humanity?I wish that people would blame GENE RODDENBERRY for what happened to the franchise-his blinders about human nature is what contributed to the malaise that the franchise suffered (TNG, Voyager & Enterprise). If only somebody had slapped him on the hand and told him that what he thought human beings were in the 24th century was bollocks, things might have become different. But they didn't, and now the franchise is where it is now. B&B only carried out what he likely told them to do, and they get blamed for what happened? Sorry, but most of the fault lies with The Great Bird Of The Galaxy.
I think the Bird was right. The TOS and TNG crews were doing what they loved, and when you get a group of people together on a project in those terms, you do see a lot more cooperative spirit - not perfect, but it really does flow a lot like an Enterprise crew.
It's when people are forced into work they dislike, for scarcity and survival, that the pressure of that builds up over time and the behavior is far worse, staff are late, negligent, etc.
Admittedly, Roddenberry's vision was aiming high. That was the point. That IS Star Trek. Its not about aliens or phasers or any of that fun stuff we love.
Take the Utopian/Humanist vision out of Star Trek, and you've lost the vital soul of it.
As for Berman, I disagree with some of the decisions, but at least he understood what Star Trek is about and kept it whole.
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case in point, just take the bookends of TNG. Farpoint and All Good Things; human nature itself on trial.
Roddenberry said it himself: its not about all the flash and bang that comes with the sci-fi persepective, its the story of the PEOPLE not the STUFF
case in point, just take the bookends of TNG. Farpoint and All Good Things; human nature itself on trial.
Roddenberry said it himself: its not about all the flash and bang that comes with the sci-fi persepective, its the story of the PEOPLE not the STUFF
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If I'm not mistaken, it was the fact that Paramount unceremoniously kicked him to the curb after he didn't want to make their version of Star Trek VI -- and, as a result, he realized that he really just was a cog in the machine to them -- that led him to the drinking.
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Rick Berman isn't an asshole. He's more of an arrogant pumpas douche bag. He did good things and bad things. Sadly the bad things at times alienated large sections of the fanbase. He bashed the original Star Trek almost every chance he got and during Enterprise he basicaly said that the fans were to stupid to relise the show was the greatest thing ever made.
Rick Berman isn't an asshole. He's more of an arrogant pumpas douche bag. He did good things and bad things. Sadly the bad things at times alienated large sections of the fanbase. He bashed the original Star Trek almost every chance he got and during Enterprise he basicaly said that the fans were to stupid to relise the show was the greatest thing ever made.
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^ Can you please provide sources to back up your claims that Berman "bashed the original Star Trek almost every chance he got" and "said that the fans were stupid"? I have never heard any such comments from him in any interviews I have seen.
^ Can you please provide sources to back up your claims that Berman "bashed the original Star Trek almost every chance he got" and "said that the fans were stupid"? I have never heard any such comments from him in any interviews I have seen.
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Thing is, the crew of the 1701 was allowed much more interpersonal conflict than the crew of 1701-D. Roddenberry may have drawn the line at having a drug pusher on the ship but he permitted insubordiantion ("The Galileo 7"), mild bigotry (McCoy's many comments about Spock--replace "pointy eared" or "green blooded" with "hook nosed" or "thick lipped" and see how innocent they sound) and outright racism ("Balance of Terror"). the one time we saw anything approaching that in TNG's season 1 was in "The Arsenal of Freedom," when the disposable chief engineer of the week (Licht, I think his name was) was being a dick to Geordi for no other discernable reason than to be a dick. This was the real problem with Roddenberry's TNG: the character interactions rang false and hollow no matter how they related to each other and thus the show felt as if it was written by a moderately gifted 12-year-old.
Thing is, the crew of the 1701 was allowed much more interpersonal conflict than the crew of 1701-D. Roddenberry may have drawn the line at having a drug pusher on the ship but he permitted insubordiantion ("The Galileo 7"), mild bigotry (McCoy's many comments about Spock--replace "pointy eared" or "green blooded" with "hook nosed" or "thick lipped" and see how innocent they sound) and outright racism ("Balance of Terror"). the one time we saw anything approaching that in TNG's season 1 was in "The Arsenal of Freedom," when the disposable chief engineer of the week (Licht, I think his name was) was being a dick to Geordi for no other discernable reason than to be a dick. This was the real problem with Roddenberry's TNG: the character interactions rang false and hollow no matter how they related to each other and thus the show felt as if it was written by a moderately gifted 12-year-old.
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And as far as dark visions of humanity goes, where the hell does Tasha Yar's ludricously post-apocalyptic home planet (she had to avoid the 'rape gangs' - what, call me a naive suburbanite living in gated bliss, but are there actually dedicated groups called rape gangs out there?) fit into that? TNG's S1 just sort of throws that idea out there to make her interesting but seems incurious as to what that says about supposedly evolved humanity.
'We've come so far Q - well, except for this entire planet of rape gangs. Forget them, let's drive back to our blissful suburban gated community in space.'
Quite. And heck, it isn't the absence of interpersonal conflict that made TNG's first season so bad, more the absence of competent writing - more conflict or a darker view of humanity would not have improved this season. We saw quite a bit of 'conflict' regarding Wesley also, and I don't much miss Picard being grumpy to the boy.
And as far as dark visions of humanity goes, where the hell does Tasha Yar's ludricously post-apocalyptic home planet (she had to avoid the 'rape gangs' - what, call me a naive suburbanite living in gated bliss, but are there actually dedicated groups called rape gangs out there?) fit into that? TNG's S1 just sort of throws that idea out there to make her interesting but seems incurious as to what that says about supposedly evolved humanity.
'We've come so far Q - well, except for this entire planet of rape gangs. Forget them, let's drive back to our blissful suburban gated community in space.'
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Gee, Kegg, I was all set to invite you to join my rape gang but if you're gonna be all snotty about it...
Gee, Kegg, I was all set to invite you to join my rape gang but if you're gonna be all snotty about it...
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Sure! Um, we're really more of a bra-strap-snapping club. That is, we talk about snapping bra straps; no one's actually worked up the nerve to do it yet. Girls are scary, you know?
Sure! Um, we're really more of a bra-strap-snapping club. That is, we talk about snapping bra straps; no one's actually worked up the nerve to do it yet. Girls are scary, you know?
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