Rick Berman Chimes in on Trek XIII
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Really? Berman spent twenty-five years watching fans be all over the place when discussing what they want Star Trek to be.
I really suspect that the movie the fans want will be different than the movie Berman wants.
I like big, bombastic music to heighten the excitement appropriately on screen. I like more character interaction. I like producers and directors who can take the resources given to them and make the most of them. I like that the senior officers each have moments to shine. I like producers and directors who can envision based on grand scale movies, rather than merely expanded television episodes. And I want a team that's excited about an exploration movie, which is what we've been assured will happen for XIII (to be fair, we'll see if they stick to their word).
I'm not the biggest fan of XII, but I'd rather have that than 3 of the 4 TNG movies. And to me XI had more life in it.
I like big, bombastic music to heighten the excitement appropriately on screen. I like more character interaction. I like producers and directors who can take the resources given to them and make the most of them. I like that the senior officers each have moments to shine. I like producers and directors who can envision based on grand scale movies, rather than merely expanded television episodes. And I want a team that's excited about an exploration movie, which is what we've been assured will happen for XIII (to be fair, we'll see if they stick to their word).
I'm not the biggest fan of XII, but I'd rather have that than 3 of the 4 TNG movies. And to me XI had more life in it.
So do I, but the Abrams movies need a bit more variety in their music beyond constantly blaring the same tune on a loop for two hours.
Well, TOS never did an exploration movie either, so why hold it against Berman for not doing one with the TNG movies? If XIII is about exploration, it'll be a first for Trek movies.
Sorry, Rick, but these new movies are exactly what I want Star Trek to be.
I personally count TMP as an exploration movie even if V'Ger came to them, hence all that eye candy -- after all, it was Kirk's choice to go into V'Ger and half the movie's set in there, plus Spock goes on that dangerous solo flight for the same reason.
TFF *could* have been an exploration movie too, albeit one done at gunpoint. If only they hadn't treated the big bad Great Barrier like cellophane wrap and Sha Ka Ree didn't look like a planet of male pattern baldness...
Oh, come on. We all know what the fans want Star Trek to be.
We want the new movie to be exciting but also measured; we want it to be graceful and delicate, while also explosive and energetic. We want it to be thoughtful and reflective, without losing speed or a galaxy-spanning ambition. We want it to touch on and update the many loose ends of earlier Trek work, while standing on its own. We want it to be comfortable and familiar while opening up new conceptual directions for the Trek universe. We want it to be immediately accessible without being obvious and rote; we want it to be magical to the hardcore fans and hypnotizing to the mass audience. We want it to be humorous and serious and heart-wrenching and whimsical, stirring and soothing, exotic and humane. We want it to make us feel like we did the first Halloween we realized would be anything we could imagine, without losing the feeling that it is what we would wish was our testament to a long and fruitful life well-lived. We want it to be experimental and daring and accomplished and refined. We want it to be short enough we wish it were longer, but long enough we couldn't imagine trimming a moment from it. All we want is for it to be the perfect movie. Why is this so hard for them to make?
I don't know, Rick - "the movie we all want it to be" sounds a little too close to "We're all very pleased" for my liking (not to mention that one might half-expect it to contain awkward amounts of Riker and Troi, inserted for no good reason.)Rick Berman said:
TMP is about countering and neutralizing the threat posed by V'Ger, and everything everyone does in the movie is done with that goal in mind. By the end the movie turns into something scientific yet metaphysical or something or other which involves philosophical musings on the great unknown or something, but the point is, the Enterprise was deployed to counter a threat, not to seek out new life and so on.
Trying to act like it's still 1993, despite the fact Jonathan Frakes is bigger and grayer and Marina Sirtis also looks different than she did twenty years ago.
Hey, Rick!
The next Trek villain will be the best villain since Khan!!!
Oh, wait, that's your line...
Saddle up, lock ' load!
Oh, wait, that's your line too...
I'll listen to Rick Berman's opinion on a new Trek TV show, but I could give a rat's ass about his opinions on any Trek film. IMO, his Trek movie record is 1-3, a losing record, so he has no right to criticize jackshit.
The next Trek villain will be the best villain since Khan!!!
Oh, wait, that's your line...
Saddle up, lock ' load!
Oh, wait, that's your line too...
I'll listen to Rick Berman's opinion on a new Trek TV show, but I could give a rat's ass about his opinions on any Trek film. IMO, his Trek movie record is 1-3, a losing record, so he has no right to criticize jackshit.
Actually, Into Darkness did improve on that issue over the 2009 film.
Funnily enough, Howard Shore did the same thing on the first Hobbit movie; the Misty Mountains theme is in there endlessly!
THE TWO TOWERS was pretty sweet though, especially after going through the doldrums of NEMESIS.
Personally, I have been enjoying the music from both 09 and ID.
Also, the Hobbit music has been quite enjoyable overall
I'm more excited about the launch of the new Star Wars canon too; Star Wars saga, spin offs, and tv shows. I prefer Star Trek to be on TV. For my tastes, the narrative in Star Trek lends best to television, and books/comics(though I don't read trek books/comics. A trilogy just doesn't do it for me the same way a 7 season series would. The TOS movies and First Contact were just a nice addition for me to see the crews I watched every week in a feature film; which is partly why I have little interest in nuTrek.
You forgot sexy but also tasteful and incredibly empowering to everyone
I think I want it to be a success more than Berman does.
I presume the movie Rick Berman wants to see is an over hyped two part TV episode with an anti-climactic story that also looks like it was budgeted to be a two part TV episode.
I don't like jumping onto the knee jerky band wagon Berman hate, but the new movies are just what they are supposed to be. Fun, fast paced, and exciting. Making movies were not his strong suit.
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