Yeah, I don't even want to imagine.
Rey and the sad devolution of the female character
- Thread starter Shaka Zulu
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Finals week. Grad school. Also, today is, y'know, Wednesday.
My days of taking you seriously are coming to a middle.
Keep convincing yourself. Your constant insistence isn’t very impressive.
The two posts I replied to, to which you replied "I wrote that on Monday", are indeed time-stamped as Monday for me ("Hela, Monday at 3:28 PM"/"Hela, Monday at 9:47 PM"). If you're on Sydney time, 19 hours ahead of San Francisco, both those posts would have been written on your Tuesday, not Monday. So, unless you flew from the Pacific Time Zone to Australia yesterday, you, not I, messed up one of your statements. And now you're going to give me grief about misidentifying which post you erred in?
, indeed. 
Myself, I've been known to write posts before I post them.
Well, I always do that actually, but what I'm saying is sometimes they sit in a browser tab for minutes or hours before I do a final tweak and submit. That's because of reasons.
Well, I always do that actually, but what I'm saying is sometimes they sit in a browser tab for minutes or hours before I do a final tweak and submit. That's because of reasons.
I do it by accident all the time.
Our wifi is absolute crap, so sometimes I’ll think I’ve sent the post and it’s actually timed out in the background.
So I’ll eventually find it again, refresh the page, and the conversation gets dragged back a few pages thanksto little ol’ me being impatient and unobservant Telstra and our good for nothin’ Gub’mint!
The emotionally devastating power of the shrug emoji is great, I see.
Our wifi is absolute crap, so sometimes I’ll think I’ve sent the post and it’s actually timed out in the background.
So I’ll eventually find it again, refresh the page, and the conversation gets dragged back a few pages thanks
The two posts I replied to, to which you replied "I wrote that on Monday", are indeed time-stamped as Monday for me ("Hela, Monday at 3:28 PM"/"Hela, Monday at 9:47 PM"). If you're on Sydney time, 19 hours ahead of San Francisco, both those posts would have been written on your Tuesday, not Monday. So, unless you flew from the Pacific Time Zone to Australia yesterday, you, not I, messed up one of your statements. And now you're going to give me grief about misidentifying which post you erred in?
The emotionally devastating power of the shrug emoji is great, I see.
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Rey went from scavenger to a better pilot than Han, a better fighter than Ren, and a better Jedi than Luke in one movie. It was a bit of a joke really
I see absolutely none of the above in the films.
I compare Rey on Jakku becoming what she is in TFA and TLJ effortlessly to a person in Frank Herbert's Dune trilogy being on Salusa Secundus, going through all of the crap there, surviving and becoming tougher and a great fighter/warrior, and then joining the Sardaukar and becoming one of that elite fighting force.
Not to forget, same farm boy flying the equivalent of a Piper Cub (the T-16 he's seen playing with a model of earlier in ANH) near the end of the film now suddenly being able to fly the equivalent of a F-14/F-15/F-16 (the T-65 X-Wing) in ANH's climatic battle; correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that take a while to learn how to do?
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R2 is doing secondary systems management and repair, but most of the rest is Luke. And even so, it's still inconcievable (to me, I'll admit) that Luke can simply pilot a fighter only a short time after flying a Piper Cub-type sub-atmospheric craft.
Always remember though, Star Wars is a fairy tale/fantasy first and foremost. So think of it more like going from a crop-duster to an old WWII era fighter (the rebel craft were after all always envisioned as relics from an earlier conflict.)
It's worth noting that in many instances in real life crop dusters and WWI combat aircraft were remarkably similar.
It's been a while since I have seen ANH but I don't think that Luke did the kind of moves Rey did in the Falcon.
The only difficult thing Luke did was flying in the trench before firing the torpedo and he was getting saved bij Han
The only difficult thing Luke did was flying in the trench before firing the torpedo and he was getting saved bij Han
Luke also did strafing runs on the Death Star surface, something that managed to destroy at least one other Red Squadron member (Red 6) and something that also did minor damage to his own craft, he destroyed a TIE fighter threatening Biggs, and he outflew a TIE on his own tail after receiving additional battle damage until Wedge could get it.
Exactly. Lucas was directly drawing on WWII movies for that segment of the movie so that's the kind of (highly romanticised) story being told there. Back then, farm boy to ace pilot wasn't the impossible leap it is today, especially in the adventure fiction of the time.
That has more to do with when the movies were made. Modern audiences have much higher expectations when it comes to action spectacle than they did back in '77. Add to that the limits of the technology (which was still a quantum leap ahead of it's time) and the aforementioned direct references to WWII movies (right down to using footage from 'Dambusters' among others to do a rough animatic of the kinds of shots he wanted.)
In-universe: those two scenarios are totally difference. Rey wasn't dogfighting so much as constantly trying to dodge the pursuit while Finn fired back. She stuck to the ground because if she made a break for open space, she knew they'd shoot her out of the sky. She was also literally on her home turn and knew those hulks like the back of her hand.
Basically, it was a chase scene which are always designed to be more exciting.
Luke on the other hand was part of a coordinated attack against fixed defences while holding off fighter interdiction, and had to work as part of a squadron. Fancy flying and crazy acrobatics (astrobatics?) would be liable to get himself and his wingmates shot out of the sky.
And to anyone that think Rey "suddenly" acquired daredevil flying skills: her usual ride is a bike made out of a cargo hauler's engines and the air ram from a gunship. You know, things designed to move loads several orders of magnitude more massive than just a pilot and a bunch of scrap. That thing would have been *ridiculously* overpowered, I mean imagine for a second a motorcycle made out of a jet turbine and an HGV's diesel engine.
If Rey couldn't handle something that powerful, cumbersome and temperamental (sound familiar?) then she'd have been a rapidly drying stain out on the Jakku dunes a long time ago.
More to the point: he survived longer against the greatest star pilot in the galaxy than any of the veterans. Even Vader commented to himself on the skill and natural force ability on display.
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Yep. The poster had inquired what Luke had done that was difficult besides fly through the trench, I was just covering what Luke had done outside the trench; the TIE attacks were what killed all the Rebels fighters in the trench and were the prime danger there.
