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Rewrite TOS with Pike, one episode at a time

The Grim Ghost

Fleet Captain
Fleet Captain
If anybody is interested, I thought this might be fun.

Let's rewrite the series episode by episode as if Pike had stayed in command instead of Kirk during the 5 year mission.

This isn't about writing out every bit of dialogue. Just a description of key scenes, differences, different decisions made, etc.

No Number One or Boyce. We'll assume the Big 3 are Pike, McCoy and Spock along with all the rest of the standard Kirk crew.

You can't bring in any characters who weren't seen in the original episode. Let's work with what we saw onscreen and speculate on how Pike's different personality and command style affects how each episode play out.

And I'd love to see speculation on how the Pike/McCoy/Spock dynamic would have developed.

Anybody game?
 
I think most, if not all, of the first season would've played out essentially unchanged, since Shatner was playing Kirk a lot more brooding than he did later on, putting it right back in Hunter's wheelhouse. "Balance of Terror" would've played the same, syllable for syllable (well, except for switching "Jim" for "Chris", but you get the idea..).
 
I think it would be more fun to sub-in more of the "Cage" Enterprise crew. It would be neat to rediscover Number One, Jose Tyler, and the rest.
 
I think it would be more fun to sub-in more of the "Cage" Enterprise crew. It would be neat to rediscover Number One, Jose Tyler, and the rest.

Agreed. If the rest of any individual episode remains unchanged... then we're simply subbing Pike in to read Kirk's lines.
 
I think most, if not all, of the first season would've played out essentially unchanged, since Shatner was playing Kirk a lot more brooding than he did later on, putting it right back in Hunter's wheelhouse. "Balance of Terror" would've played the same, syllable for syllable (well, except for switching "Jim" for "Chris", but you get the idea..).

Exactly. Kirk's original characterization was essentially indistinguishable from Pike's: serious, driven, weighed down by the burdens of command, too focused on his work to have time for women. I suspect the only reason Roddenberry changed the character name, rather than simply recasting the Pike character as he later did with Dylan Hunt in Genesis II/Planet Earth, was that, given how many times Roddenberry changed the captain's name in the development process, he may have just decided he didn't like the name Christopher Pike after all (I think he picked it only about a week before shooting) and took the opportunity to change it. Either that or he already had some idea of repurposing "The Cage" as a flashback episode (which is supported by the fact that he changed the doctor's name as well).

Kirk becoming distinct from Pike was the result of two things: 1) the writers adapting the character to Shatner's personality, and 2) the network pushing for a more conventional, witty and womanizing hero. I'm sure the latter would've still been the case if Jeff Hunter had stayed in the role, so it follows that Pike would've become more "Kirk-like" over time to an extent. That just leaves the question of how Hunter's personality would've shaped the character and the series differently. Would he have continued to project a more somber, brooding persona, or would he have adapted to a lighter approach as Shatner did? Would he have been as uncomfortable with Nimoy becoming the breakout star and pushed to stay in the spotlight as Shatner did, or would he have been content to settle for second banana?

I think there's a more interesting question that can be asked. Contrary to the conventional myth, Inside Star Trek says that NBC was actually quite happy with the idea of a female first officer; their objection was to the casting of a relatively inexperienced actress (and one who was the producer's mistress) in the role. What if, instead of dropping the Number One character altogether to save face, Roddenberry had done what the network really wanted, keeping the character and recasting her? Assume Hunter still drops out, so Number One is Kirk's first officer and Spock is the lieutenant he was in "The Cage." McCoy is present, since Kelley's the actor GR wanted in the part all along but couldn't get the first two times. Presumably Number One retains the stoic, logical personality, so Spock doesn't have that aspect to make him a standout character. How differently does the series unfold? Does Nimoy still become the breakout star? Would Kirk's primary friendship be with McCoy, while he had unresolved romantic tension with Number One? Who could've played Number One if the role had been recast in 1965?
 
Kirk's original characterization was essentially indistinguishable from Pike's: serious, driven, weighed down by the burdens of command, too focused on his work to have time for women.


"Too focused on his work to have time for women"?

What about Areel Shaw, Dr. Helen Noel, "Ruth", and "the little blonde lab technician I aimed at you"? And let's not even mention those tear-jerker flings with Edith Keeler or Miri. :lol:

On a serious note, I've read people in this forum suppose that if Jeffrey Hunter had continued on as Captain Pike in TOS, the series would've been significantly different. Given the discussion here from the opposite angle, maybe Pike would've delivered the same kind of presence as Shatner's first-season Kirk.

Projecting forward to TOS Year 2, I think it would be hilarious to imagine Hunter trying to seduce Sylvia. And could you imagine the riot of seeing Pike in "By Any Other Name?"

"Not when I came in." :lol:
 
Kirk's original characterization was essentially indistinguishable from Pike's: serious, driven, weighed down by the burdens of command, too focused on his work to have time for women.


"Too focused on his work to have time for women"?

What about Areel Shaw, Dr. Helen Noel, "Ruth", and "the little blonde lab technician I aimed at you"? And let's not even mention those tear-jerker flings with Edith Keeler or Miri. :lol:

Areel was someone Kirk was involved with nearly five years earlier, before he became a starship captain. Ruth and the lab tech were from his Academy days. I'm talking about his time as a starship captain. It was clearly established that he was "married to his ship," which prevented him from pursuing relationships.

Helen is a classic example. A lot of people think they were actually involved, but they're forgetting what really happened in the episode. In reality, as we were unambiguously told, Kirk and Helen only danced and flirted a bit at a Christmas party, and Kirk was uncomfortable to be reminded of that. Kirk had to be brainwashed into believing he was in love with Helen, and even so, all it took was a simple reminder of his duty to enable him to overcome that powerful brainwashing and go right back to treating her as merely a crewmate -- even quite callously sending her into a potentially lethal situation.

As for Miri, Kirk certainly didn't show any actual romantic interest in her; he was just being friendly and she misconstrued. If anything, that episode underlines Kirk's duty-over-romance characterization, as it reveals that Janice Rand has been trying to get his attention for months and he won't even look at her legs.

And look at "Mudd's Women." Remember, I'm talking about how Kirk was characterized at the beginning of the series, before that characterization was affected by Shatner's personality and network pressure. In "Mudd's," Kirk is the only male crewmember other than Spock who isn't going gaga over the women. While everyone else is openly drooling, Kirk seems more annoyed by their presence than anything else; he's aware of their attractiveness but reacts to it as a distraction and doesn't let it break his focus. Eve tries to seduce him and gets nowhere.

As for Edith, first of all, that's from the end of the season, so it isn't really apposite to my point. But even so, it was presented as an exceptional circumstance. Kirk wasn't on the ship; he was living in Edith's world for an unspecified amount of time, possibly weeks. So he wasn't really in a command situation. The defining dilemma of the character as originally conceived was duty vs. personal life, marriage to his ship vs. his longing for love and commitment (see his monologue in "The Naked Time"). Here, the ship was out of play. And it wasn't just a fling; he fell deeply in love, in spite of himself.

If you look at the first season overall, all of Kirk's involvements with women were either: a) from his younger days (Ruth, Areel); b) initiated by the women without success (Eve, Rand, Miri); c) calculating ploys on Kirk's part to achieve his goals (Lenore, Andrea); or d) the result of Kirk not being in his right mind (Rand in "Enemy Within," Helen). And many times, particularly in the earliest episodes which are the focus of my point, Kirk is detached and levelheaded while other characters are seduced by feminine wiles ("Mudd's Women," "The Man Trap," "This Side of Paradise"). We began to see the first hint of "Kirk as womanizer" in "The Menagerie" with the starbase yeoman, but Edith Keeler is the first woman that Kirk enters a genuine romantic relationship with during his tenure as captain. And it didn't happen until a year into the series.


On a serious note, I've read people in this forum suppose that if Jeffrey Hunter had continued on as Captain Pike in TOS, the series would've been significantly different. Given the discussion here from the opposite angle, maybe Pike would've delivered the same kind of presence as Shatner's first-season Kirk.

It's possible Hunter would've been willing to try to develop his character in the same way, but I'm not sure he would've had the same charisma as Shatner.
 
It's possible Hunter would've been willing to try to develop his character in the same way, but I'm not sure he would've had the same charisma as Shatner.
Oh, there's no doubt that Jeffrey Hunter had charisma. It's just a different type of charisma. Actually, I think Jeffrey Hunter would have done well playing the part of a Vulcan scholar. Or could you imagine him playing Surak instead of the actor who did in The Savage Curtain?

One of Kirk's trademarks we joke about sometimes is the number of times he ends up either getting his shirt ripped or going completely shirtless. Would those scenes have played out the same way if Jeffrey Hunter had done them? Would he have been willing to do shirtless scenes?

I'm honestly curious, since the only non-Star Trek role I ever saw him in was as Jesus.
 
One of Kirk's trademarks we joke about sometimes is the number of times he ends up either getting his shirt ripped or going completely shirtless. Would those scenes have played out the same way if Jeffrey Hunter had done them? Would he have been willing to do shirtless scenes?

Why not? Again, we're not talking about something specific to Shatner, but something that was par for the course for '60s TV action heroes. Look at how many times Robert Conrad lost his shirt in The Wild Wild West. You had to get the women watching so you could show them commercials for laundry soap and refrigerators and stuff. So you gave them eye candy, just like you gave the male viewers eye candy by putting the women in skimpy costumes.
 
She may not have had a beehive but Colt had 'unusually strong female drives'. I wonder how that would have affected the show... ;)
 
^That's kind of what happened. Rand filled the same role Colt did, the yeoman who was a romantic interest for the captain. And Rand was eventually dropped, though it was for a variety of reasons.

Overall, Roddenberry just changed the names of the characters when he recast them; the basic character types were the same. Pike to Kirk, Colt to Smith to Rand, Boyce to Piper to McCoy, they were all the same character with different names. Any real change would've emerged as a result of the actor's influence over time.

And personally I would've been much happier with Laurel Goodwin as the recurring yeoman than Grace Lee Whitney. (Andrea Dromm was hotter than either of them, but she literally had only one line, so it's hard to gauge her as an actress.)
 
One of Kirk's trademarks we joke about sometimes is the number of times he ends up either getting his shirt ripped or going completely shirtless. Would those scenes have played out the same way if Jeffrey Hunter had done them? Would he have been willing to do shirtless scenes?
Why not? Again, we're not talking about something specific to Shatner, but something that was par for the course for '60s TV action heroes. Look at how many times Robert Conrad lost his shirt in The Wild Wild West. You had to get the women watching so you could show them commercials for laundry soap and refrigerators and stuff. So you gave them eye candy, just like you gave the male viewers eye candy by putting the women in skimpy costumes.
Well, I've never seen Jeffrey Hunter in a shirtless scene (or Robert Conrad either, for that matter). Shatner's shirtless scenes didn't do anything for me. What I found absolutely mesmerizing about Jeffrey Hunter (both as Pike and as Jesus) were his eyes. That's the same reason I'll watch Mel Gibson - it's all in the eyes. :drool:
 
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