We were, but I was taking it as what to expect from Voyager. For what it was, it was a sweet ending. We deserved something better though.
Rewatching Voyager
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We were, but I was taking it as what to expect from Voyager. For what it was, it was a sweet ending. We deserved something better though.
Yes, I agree that it wasn't all bad. Actually, Put it next to the ENT ending and it even looks good.
I have mentioned this before in other threads so free to scroll on by if you have read this.
In the books the C/7 relationship broke up BECAUSE Admiral Janeway changed the timeline. Returning to the Alpha Quadrant so suddenly and having to process everything was a lot for Seven and she and Chakotay both realized she had to get her stuff together first, learn to adapt and not worry about a relationship. It was pure irony and a good decision by Christie Gold.
I agree 100% about the character arcs of both Tom and B'Elanna. They are both so different from the way they were in Caretaker and they went through it together.
Thanks so much for this thread. It's been fun. I enjoy talking about these episodes. The next time someone else does a rewatch...I'll be there.
In the books the C/7 relationship broke up BECAUSE Admiral Janeway changed the timeline. Returning to the Alpha Quadrant so suddenly and having to process everything was a lot for Seven and she and Chakotay both realized she had to get her stuff together first, learn to adapt and not worry about a relationship. It was pure irony and a good decision by Christie Gold.
I agree 100% about the character arcs of both Tom and B'Elanna. They are both so different from the way they were in Caretaker and they went through it together.
Thanks so much for this thread. It's been fun. I enjoy talking about these episodes. The next time someone else does a rewatch...I'll be there.
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It shouldn't have happened in the first place though. Seven knew she would have to adapt to life on earth, and this relationship just made zero sense. I haven't read the books, but did she end up going through with the procedure to bring back her heightened emotions?
She did undergo the surgery to allow her to have heightened emotions without dying.
In the books, due to the interference of the borgs' parents, she will lose all the residual borgness that she still has and will become fully human (her implants will also vanish).
End Game has come up a lot lately for various reasons and I haven't seen it in a long time. I remember the plot being complicated, maybe even convoluted. So I plan on re-watching when I can, possibly tonight.
What am I looking for? Well, exactly how smoothly the timelines fit together, how somber the history is before it's changed, and the feeling I'm left with at the end, which seems to be divided amongst those who love and hate it. Also Alice Krige's return performance.
RAMA
What am I looking for? Well, exactly how smoothly the timelines fit together, how somber the history is before it's changed, and the feeling I'm left with at the end, which seems to be divided amongst those who love and hate it. Also Alice Krige's return performance.
RAMA
Yesterday, I rewatched "The Voyager Conspiracy" (6x09) in which our dear Seven "investigates" a massive conspiracy where the Federation, the Cardassians, the Caretaker, and numerous other alien races would be involved, and which indicates that Voyager was deliberately stranded in the DQ. In first, she accuses Janeway of being the instigator of this plot in front of Chakotay and afterward, it's the turn of Chakotay to be accused of plot and finally, both commanding officers are accused of plot against Seven herself.
In watching this episode, several comments and questions came to my mind:
1) I find that The Voyager's Conspiracy happened too late in the series (9th episode of the s6). If it had been aired towards the end of the s4 or in the first half of S5, it would have been more sensible because more believable for viewers and still.
2) since Seven was introduced, it seems to me that, she knotted favored relationships with Capitain Janeway, the Doctor, Tuvok, Neelix and Naomie Wildman, right?! As for her attitude to Chakotay, at best, it's purely indifference (I don't think that she forgot that he was about to get rid of her by ejecting her in the space without means of survival). One thing's for sure and certain, from S3 to the beginning of S7, they don't like each other and make nothing to change the situation .
So, when she is aware of an imminent danger - under the form of a conspiracy - for Voyager, how come that she went to open herself with Chakotay, instead of the Doctor or Neelix to be advised on the proper functioning to follow, as seeing as Janeway and Tuvok were involved in first?
And Chakotay who has never hidden not to trust Seven and missed no opportunity to criticize her attitude in front of the capitain, although she saved on many occasions the life of the crew, starts suddenly believing what she says on the pretext she offered some valid arguments?
3) And about Janeway/Chakotay's issue.
Since the s1, Voyager's producers/writers want to convince us that their relationship, whatever it is, is unwavering. However, as the seasons go by, we notice how different they are and how much their differences are implacable. I mean, what kind of association (friendly or loving) they would have eventually formed if their tune is of the type: "I love you me neither". Seriously?
-> they spend a lot of time together in and out of bridge, talk very often about almost everything but when events have an emotional nature, they suddenly stop to share, making way for the suspicion, doubting the one to the other one or keeping silent at he point where I wonder IF they trully trusted in each other one day!
In this case, once his meeting with Seven was over, in admitting he trully lent credence to what she has said, why not to have asked clarifications to Janeway immediately, as B'Elena advised? Instead of that, he stubbornly stayed on his defensive position, trying to make Torres follow him in his paranoia ....until he decided to control the Seven's alcove. Janeway didn't behaved more wisely in this episode.
Both have no excuse, contrary to Seven.
In brief, an episode to be fast forgotten...
In watching this episode, several comments and questions came to my mind:
1) I find that The Voyager's Conspiracy happened too late in the series (9th episode of the s6). If it had been aired towards the end of the s4 or in the first half of S5, it would have been more sensible because more believable for viewers and still.
2) since Seven was introduced, it seems to me that, she knotted favored relationships with Capitain Janeway, the Doctor, Tuvok, Neelix and Naomie Wildman, right?! As for her attitude to Chakotay, at best, it's purely indifference (I don't think that she forgot that he was about to get rid of her by ejecting her in the space without means of survival). One thing's for sure and certain, from S3 to the beginning of S7, they don't like each other and make nothing to change the situation .
So, when she is aware of an imminent danger - under the form of a conspiracy - for Voyager, how come that she went to open herself with Chakotay, instead of the Doctor or Neelix to be advised on the proper functioning to follow, as seeing as Janeway and Tuvok were involved in first?
And Chakotay who has never hidden not to trust Seven and missed no opportunity to criticize her attitude in front of the capitain, although she saved on many occasions the life of the crew, starts suddenly believing what she says on the pretext she offered some valid arguments?
3) And about Janeway/Chakotay's issue.
Since the s1, Voyager's producers/writers want to convince us that their relationship, whatever it is, is unwavering. However, as the seasons go by, we notice how different they are and how much their differences are implacable. I mean, what kind of association (friendly or loving) they would have eventually formed if their tune is of the type: "I love you me neither". Seriously?
-> they spend a lot of time together in and out of bridge, talk very often about almost everything but when events have an emotional nature, they suddenly stop to share, making way for the suspicion, doubting the one to the other one or keeping silent at he point where I wonder IF they trully trusted in each other one day!
In this case, once his meeting with Seven was over, in admitting he trully lent credence to what she has said, why not to have asked clarifications to Janeway immediately, as B'Elena advised? Instead of that, he stubbornly stayed on his defensive position, trying to make Torres follow him in his paranoia ....until he decided to control the Seven's alcove. Janeway didn't behaved more wisely in this episode.
Both have no excuse, contrary to Seven.
In brief, an episode to be fast forgotten...
To me, the most incredible aspect of the episode are those photonic fleas ... What will writers come up next? Mind-boggling ...Yesterday, I rewatched "The Voyager Conspiracy" (6x09) in which our dear Seven "investigates" a massive conspiracy where the Federation, the Cardassians, the Caretaker, and numerous other alien races would be involved, and which indicates that Voyager was deliberately stranded in the DQ. In first, she accuses Janeway of being the instigator of this plot in front of Chakotay and afterward, it's the turn of Chakotay to be accused of plot and finally, both commanding officers are accused of plot against Seven herself.
In watching this episode, several comments and questions came to my mind:
1) I find that The Voyager's Conspiracy happened too late in the series (9th episode of the s6). If it had been aired towards the end of the s4 or in the first half of S5, it would have been more sensible because more believable for viewers and still.
2) since Seven was introduced, it seems to me that, she knotted favored relationships with Capitain Janeway, the Doctor, Tuvok, Neelix and Naomie Wildman, right?! As for her attitude to Chakotay, at best, it's purely indifference (I don't think that she forgot that he was about to get rid of her by ejecting her in the space without means of survival). One thing's for sure and certain, from S3 to the beginning of S7, they don't like each other and make nothing to change the situation .
So, when she is aware of an imminent danger - under the form of a conspiracy - for Voyager, how come that she went to open herself with Chakotay, instead of the Doctor or Neelix to be advised on the proper functioning to follow, as seeing as Janeway and Tuvok were involved in first?
And Chakotay who has never hidden not to trust Seven and missed no opportunity to criticize her attitude in front of the capitain, although she saved on many occasions the life of the crew, starts suddenly believing what she says on the pretext she offered some valid arguments?
3) And about Janeway/Chakotay's issue.
Since the s1, Voyager's producers/writers want to convince us that their relationship, whatever it is, is unwavering. However, as the seasons go by, we notice how different they are and how much their differences are implacable. I mean, what kind of association (friendly or loving) they would have eventually formed if their tune is of the type: "I love you me neither". Seriously?
-> they spend a lot of time together in and out of bridge, talk very often about almost everything but when events have an emotional nature, they suddenly stop to share, making way for the suspicion, doubting the one to the other one or keeping silent at he point where I wonder IF they trully trusted in each other one day!
In this case, once his meeting with Seven was over, in admitting he trully lent credence to what she has said, why not to have asked clarifications to Janeway immediately, as B'Elena advised? Instead of that, he stubbornly stayed on his defensive position, trying to make Torres follow him in his paranoia ....until he decided to control the Seven's alcove. Janeway didn't behaved more wisely in this episode.
Both have no excuse, contrary to Seven.
In brief, an episode to be fast forgotten...
Photonic fleas are just a tick of light.
Well ... whatever they are ... I thought that the idea was a bit far-fetched for me ...
English is not my mother tongue so I couldn't have known. I don't even understand "tick or light" ... so no idea what you're talking about. But I'm sure you're right ...It was a pun. Tick or light... trick of light... get it.
English is not my mother tongue so I couldn't have known. I don't even understand "tick or light" ... so no idea what you're talking about. But I'm sure you're right ...
Well,in any language, the more things are explained the less funny they get.
However, I'll refer you to what Seska called the doctor in basics II. She called him a "trick of light".
Well, I didn't know that. When did she do that? It might even have got lost in the Hungarian translation (I have only seen like ten episodes in English).
Not long before she disables his program.
By shooting the computer with a phaser. Smart move, Seska.
OK, thanks. Next time I'll watch BASICS, I'll try to catch the equivalent in Hungarian if it has been translated at all.
If it's a play on words, there's a high chance of that getting lost in the translation.
Yes, she wasn't very subtle that time.
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