Rewatching Voyager
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This episode is just a whole lot of fun. We got to meet the pig people, whose hiararcy always agrees or approves everything, and Picardo was great in the daydream sequence. So many great moments in this one, from the ECH being activated for the first time, to my favorite sequence, the Warp Core Breach. I wonder if Majel Barrett enjoyed the fact that as the computer voice, she got to be funny with the "A lot sooner than you think" and "you're running out of time doctor, get going".
Anyway, I also liked how this episode ended, with the daydream having to become the reality. Loved the Doctor's bluff with the photonic cannon. Basically everything about this episode was a whole lot of fun.
I've seen quite a few pigs in my life ... and they looked different from these people.Anyway, this is a funny episode, a lot of people think it is the funniest one in the show. Not for me though, it only comes third on my list - which is still quite a good place, I guess. My favourite scene was the one in the briefing room when Janeway wants a physical ... I crack up every time when she says: "You are dismissed."
As First Officers go, Chakotay is by far my favourite one - but then I prefer the characters of VOY to any other characters on any other shows really. Kira, btw, is not bad, although I guess if I were a straight man, that kind of behaviour would be too aggressive for me. After Chakotay, Spock from the new films comes for me (although I quite like the old Spock, too even if I don't know that series very much).
They looked like pigs. At least I've always felt that way since I first saw the episode.
Alice
This episode was kind of dull. I reminded me a little of Vis a Vis when Tom let a hobby get him into trouble with Seth and you had the whole body changing thing. This one brought nothing real new to the table, and I couldn't believe that Tom would be this passionate about a ship. I mean he already built the Delta Flyer in Season 5, and he had his relationship with B'elanna. What more did he want.
Riddles
This episode was sweet. I've maintained in this thread that Neelix is nowhere near as bad as people say he is, and I think this is another episode that shows why. When he actually is a moral officer/ambassador, he's really good at his job, and him taking care of Tuvok and the episode really showing that friendship flourish was really charming. I loved seeing Tuvok bake great desserts, or listening to Jazz, and Tim Russ has a ton of range that has never really been allowed to come out until this episode. I kind of wish they had made a way for Tuvok to retain his experience, or gain back his tactical abilities, but still have the emotions. For all that Neelix did, the ending served as really sad in that Tuvok doesn't share the friendship that Neelix has with him. Still, for an episode, it was nice while it lasted.
This episode was kind of dull. I reminded me a little of Vis a Vis when Tom let a hobby get him into trouble with Seth and you had the whole body changing thing. This one brought nothing real new to the table, and I couldn't believe that Tom would be this passionate about a ship. I mean he already built the Delta Flyer in Season 5, and he had his relationship with B'elanna. What more did he want.
Riddles
This episode was sweet. I've maintained in this thread that Neelix is nowhere near as bad as people say he is, and I think this is another episode that shows why. When he actually is a moral officer/ambassador, he's really good at his job, and him taking care of Tuvok and the episode really showing that friendship flourish was really charming. I loved seeing Tuvok bake great desserts, or listening to Jazz, and Tim Russ has a ton of range that has never really been allowed to come out until this episode. I kind of wish they had made a way for Tuvok to retain his experience, or gain back his tactical abilities, but still have the emotions. For all that Neelix did, the ending served as really sad in that Tuvok doesn't share the friendship that Neelix has with him. Still, for an episode, it was nice while it lasted.
OK. Have it your way. Pigs it is then.
I like both RIDDLES and RISE - both episodes are excellent for their Tuvok-Neelix interaction.
However, for me the best episode in this respect is HOMESTEAD. Even though I hate the idea of throwing out a main character two episodes before the end of the show, I think that the true nature of their feelings is represented in HOMESTEAD the best.
As for ALICE, it does feel a bit repetitive. However, it's a Tom Paris episode, so it goes without saying that I love it. And he is sexy as hell in that silver uniform, not to mention the stubble:
I liked the idea of Alice (it was a sort of homage to Stephen King's Christine) and I thought everyone did a good job with the acting but I thought it could have used a better B-plot, not just the rest of the crew scrounging around for answers, and some comic relief or something.
I understand him falling in love with the ship. Some men are that way about restoring cars. My brother-in-law does that although he doesn't go crazy and have hallucinations about it...not that I know of anyway.
One thing that the fanfiction writers have picked up on (with varying degrees of success ) is while the writer's were always quick to explore B'Elanna's internal struggles with being half Klingon and abandonment etc it seemed that Tom's internal struggles concerning the death of the officers in that accident, time in prison etc weren't explored in the show and I think if done right a lot of fans would find that interesting. The fanficcers go to town on that one.
Riddles was good. Dawson did a good job directing it...wish there had been later references to it.
It's unfortunate that this episode is one that fans often 'forget about' until a re-watch. Very underestimated.
I understand him falling in love with the ship. Some men are that way about restoring cars. My brother-in-law does that although he doesn't go crazy and have hallucinations about it...not that I know of anyway.
One thing that the fanfiction writers have picked up on (with varying degrees of success
) is while the writer's were always quick to explore B'Elanna's internal struggles with being half Klingon and abandonment etc it seemed that Tom's internal struggles concerning the death of the officers in that accident, time in prison etc weren't explored in the show and I think if done right a lot of fans would find that interesting. The fanficcers go to town on that one.Riddles was good. Dawson did a good job directing it...wish there had been later references to it.
It's unfortunate that this episode is one that fans often 'forget about' until a re-watch. Very underestimated.
I am still wondering what the ship Alice was trying to accomplish...
I do too. She said she was trying to 'get home'. How did she 'leave' home. Was the partical fountain actually her home or was it a gateway? When the ship exploded...did she finally 'get home'?
I do too. In my headcanon she was an entity that was trapped in the ship and that space annomaly was a portal to her home. She needed someone to get the ship there. The shio would enter, be destroyed and she would be able to go through back home
That's the thing that I find frustrating about Voyager, it's that it raises a lot of questions like that and don't even try to give them an answer. Sometimes the question is so idiotic that they are right, like how do the deaging people in Innocence function? Do they bury empty coffins where appears old people that then start deaging? I mean how stupid do they think the audience is?
As for the sleeping people, who does all the work on their planet? who feeds their lazy asses? Doesn't make a lot of sense, either.
I wonder if it was more than just getting home, but trying to find a compatible mate. It's kind of like what the Caretaker was trying to do, and she saw that Paris was an expert pilot and took advantage. If they had added in a more sympathetic plotline to Alice, I think it might have been a much better episode. It might have also been a retelling of Alter Ego, but oh well.
Interesting idea.
Yes, it might have. "Alter Ego" must have seemed good to the writers because they did it again in ENT, except that this time they called it "Exile".
Dragon's Teeth
Other than finding out yet another alien race who started nice and then went bad, I enjoyed this one. I think the thing I loved most about it though was the setting and the visual effects. The battle sequence kind of reminded me of some of the big battle sequences on DS9 with Voyager trying to escape the planet's atmosphere and firing phasers all around her. It was exciting and fast paced. My only qualm was how Janeway treated Seven. You have this race that is 900 years out of date, but Janeway's argument is they could have catastrophic consequences. If they really could adapt, those consequences wouldn't happen for a long time, and whoever this group runs into will be more powerful, will they not? This episode is weakened by the fact that we don't see the Vaudwaar again, but I don't think the consequences would that catastrophic. I do think Seven had the best of intentions at heart, and Janeway also woke people up from stasis, such as in The 37s and The Thaw. Other than that, this was a really cool episode.
One Small Step
This episode paid tribute to the early space missions and like 11:59, I thought it's heart was in the right place. We see a bit of history worship, reminding me a little of when Picard laid his eyes on the Phoenix for the first time in Star Trek: First Contact. We also saw Seven, who I thought the crew was hard on in the beginning, come to understand why History can be such a beautiful thing and I almost choked up during her eulogy at the end. My only complaint and I thought Chakotay acted a bit out of character though. He did something Paris probably would have done (And did in Thirty Days, actually) and there were no consequences of that. Seemed to me there should have been a Janeway/Chakotay scene at the end, but for what this episode was trying to convey, it might have seemed a little inappropriate. Still, I love episodes that have a lot of heart (Like the undermentioned 11:59) and this episode was one of those episodes.
Other than finding out yet another alien race who started nice and then went bad, I enjoyed this one. I think the thing I loved most about it though was the setting and the visual effects. The battle sequence kind of reminded me of some of the big battle sequences on DS9 with Voyager trying to escape the planet's atmosphere and firing phasers all around her. It was exciting and fast paced. My only qualm was how Janeway treated Seven. You have this race that is 900 years out of date, but Janeway's argument is they could have catastrophic consequences. If they really could adapt, those consequences wouldn't happen for a long time, and whoever this group runs into will be more powerful, will they not? This episode is weakened by the fact that we don't see the Vaudwaar again, but I don't think the consequences would that catastrophic. I do think Seven had the best of intentions at heart, and Janeway also woke people up from stasis, such as in The 37s and The Thaw. Other than that, this was a really cool episode.
One Small Step
This episode paid tribute to the early space missions and like 11:59, I thought it's heart was in the right place. We see a bit of history worship, reminding me a little of when Picard laid his eyes on the Phoenix for the first time in Star Trek: First Contact. We also saw Seven, who I thought the crew was hard on in the beginning, come to understand why History can be such a beautiful thing and I almost choked up during her eulogy at the end. My only complaint and I thought Chakotay acted a bit out of character though. He did something Paris probably would have done (And did in Thirty Days, actually) and there were no consequences of that. Seemed to me there should have been a Janeway/Chakotay scene at the end, but for what this episode was trying to convey, it might have seemed a little inappropriate. Still, I love episodes that have a lot of heart (Like the undermentioned 11:59) and this episode was one of those episodes.
The Voyager Conspiracy
This episode was annoying but had a terrific ending. I was really hoping Seven would just shut up when she was rattling off dates like she was. It's interesting how many conspiracy theorists came after 9/11, when this episode used that idea of Conspiracy Theory as a way to drive the plot home. This is like Voyager's clip show too because we got small image/clips of past events of the series, such as when Voyager was catapulted into the Delta Quadrant, and Janeway's alliance with the Borg.
The ending though made this episode worth it. Seven was on information overload, and Janeway comes in like the mother she has always been to Seven and talks her down. It was a very sweet scene and reminded me of why I like the bond between the two of them. I do wish we would have seen the catapult in action one more time. That was a cool effect.
This episode was annoying but had a terrific ending. I was really hoping Seven would just shut up when she was rattling off dates like she was. It's interesting how many conspiracy theorists came after 9/11, when this episode used that idea of Conspiracy Theory as a way to drive the plot home. This is like Voyager's clip show too because we got small image/clips of past events of the series, such as when Voyager was catapulted into the Delta Quadrant, and Janeway's alliance with the Borg.
The ending though made this episode worth it. Seven was on information overload, and Janeway comes in like the mother she has always been to Seven and talks her down. It was a very sweet scene and reminded me of why I like the bond between the two of them. I do wish we would have seen the catapult in action one more time. That was a cool effect.
Exceptionally, my favourite lines don't come from Janeway in this episode but from Seven and the main Vaudwaar guy:
GEDRIN: Practical and to the point, just like my wife. She had a knack for cutting to the truth.
SEVEN: She must have been an efficient individual.
GEDRIN: To say the least. You would have enjoyed her company.
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To me, most VOY episodes have a heart and this one is an outstanding example. How Kelly's last days unfold is very touching and how Seven comes to understand what those final days/weeks must have been like for Kelly was even more so. The episode was partly reminiscent of REAL LIFE as well. I remember welling up when I saw it for the first time. Actually, the next episode that gave me similar feelings is coming up soon: BLINK OF AN EYE. Whenever I think of Season 6, ONE SMALL STEP, BLINK OF AN EYE and the two FAIR HAVEN episodes spring to mind.
Photonic fleas? Mind-boggling. But it shows at least that science fiction comprises a large variety of ideas and some of them require a stretch of the imagination. Nevertheless, the galaxy is a big place, the universe even bigger so anything's possible. If we could have those costumes in TIME AND AGAIN, photonic fleas also have their place in the universe, I guess ...
This is one of those episodes when I have the impression that the producers were trying hard to give us yet another Seven- or Seven/Janeway-centered episode. The idea is a bit wild but Janeway and Seven do have their moments here and that's always worth it. Also, I liked the end with Seven and Naomi.
That Gedrin also said that he was ashamed of his wife because she didn't show enough courage at the end. That's callous!
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