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Revist of UNfavorite Episodes

Hell, the laserdiscs are made in "Hi-Fi" they could have sourced those. The blu rays actually got the mono mix for that episode right, but they kept the substituted music for the surround mix.

The DVDs, as much as I love them, had some glitches. Cues replaced on "What Are Little Girls Made Of?", "The Menagerie" and "The Deadly Years." Cues dropped and replaced with alternate takes on "The Doomsday Machine" and the end of a scene lopped in "The Tholian Web." The electric violin theme added onto too many episodes but never restored to the end credits. I would have understood just adding sound effects to make it more appealing to viewers with good sound systems, but a little more care was needed. Some of these issues ("The Tholian Web" scene) were fixed in the season sets, but with the return to airdate order, the electric violin theme became inconsistent (because it wasn't on the first 13 freaking filmed episodes).

Yet, for all that, I prefer these prints to the blu rays. The colors are less garish, there aren't effects glitches (no seamless branching) and it feels more like how a 60's show should look now. Also, 576i resolution was as far as the 60's effects could be stretched before collapsing totally. HD does the effects no favors which is why they made the CGI stuff to begin with. You can also JUST make out Shatner's toupee and Spock's ear seams. HD makes them obvious. As one reviewer had pointed out, Star Trek was never meant to be seen in HD (or 4K as some fans have been clamoring for).

It's just unfortunate that anyone who wants to watch the original effects on DVD has to seek out the 2004 sets. That was the last time the originals were on DVD. And for everyone who feels the DVDs are worthless, they go for a good amount on eBay.

That was not the post I intended to write, but my fingers and brain wouldn't stop. It's off topic, but it's my topic so I forgive myself.

I am, however, revisiting these unfavorite episodes on DVD. So, I guess it kinda fits. Ish.
 
Hell, the laserdiscs are made in "Hi-Fi" they could have sourced those. The blu rays actually got the mono mix for that episode right, but they kept the substituted music for the surround mix.

The DVDs, as much as I love them, had some glitches. Cues replaced on "What Are Little Girls Made Of?", "The Menagerie" and "The Deadly Years." Cues dropped and replaced with alternate takes on "The Doomsday Machine" and the end of a scene lopped in "The Tholian Web." The electric violin theme added onto too many episodes but never restored to the end credits. I would have understood just adding sound effects to make it more appealing to viewers with good sound systems, but a little more care was needed. Some of these issues ("The Tholian Web" scene) were fixed in the season sets, but with the return to airdate order, the electric violin theme became inconsistent (because it wasn't on the first 13 freaking filmed episodes).

Yet, for all that, I prefer these prints to the blu rays. The colors are less garish, there aren't effects glitches (no seamless branching) and it feels more like how a 60's show should look now. Also, 576i resolution was as far as the 60's effects could be stretched before collapsing totally. HD does the effects no favors which is why they made the CGI stuff to begin with. You can also JUST make out Shatner's toupee and Spock's ear seams. HD makes them obvious. As one reviewer had pointed out, Star Trek was never meant to be seen in HD (or 4K as some fans have been clamoring for).

It's just unfortunate that anyone who wants to watch the original effects on DVD has to seek out the 2004 sets. That was the last time the originals were on DVD. And for everyone who feels the DVDs are worthless, they go for a good amount on eBay.

That was not the post I intended to write, but my fingers and brain wouldn't stop. It's off topic, but it's my topic so I forgive myself.

I am, however, revisiting these unfavorite episodes on DVD. So, I guess it kinda fits. Ish.
What's the Tholian Web scene you are referring to?
 
It's just unfortunate that anyone who wants to watch the original effects on DVD has to seek out the 2004 sets. That was the last time the originals were on DVD. And for everyone who feels the DVDs are worthless, they go for a good amount on eBay.

That was not the post I intended to write, but my fingers and brain wouldn't stop. It's off topic, but it's my topic so I forgive myself.

It's really too bad there isn't a perfect solution, but it does seem the DVDs are closest (well, the DVDs with original commercials spliced in are even better ;) )

Thank you for a great post.
 
The Way to Eden is one of those episodes I hated when I was younger, but I actually kind of appreciate now. The guest cast is actually quite good and the story is fairly intriguing, with some interesting sci-if ideas.

I feel the same way about The Empath. Used to hate when this one came up in the rerun cycle when I was young, but I really like it now. A good, solid unique sci-if concept and another great showcase of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship.
 
I feel the same way about The Empath. Used to hate when this one came up in the rerun cycle when I was young, but I really like it now. A good, solid unique sci-if concept and another great showcase of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship.

"The Empath" has definitely grown on me, as well, although I'd rank it somewhere in the middle.

I've always thought the props on TOS were the coolest of all TV show - even here, where the primary set is essentially an empty stage. :lol: (Plus, the various pieces of equipment that occasionally populate the lab set are so cool.) Obviously the decision to dress the Vians' lab as a void was a budgetary one, but I think it adds to the unsettling nature of the first half. The late John Erman's direction amplifies that, too; for example, the startling re-entry of the Vians about midway through the episode, accompanied by a distorted closeup.
 
The Way to Eden is one of those episodes I hated when I was younger, but I actually kind of appreciate now. The guest cast is actually quite good and the story is fairly intriguing, with some interesting sci-if ideas.

I feel the same way about The Empath. Used to hate when this one came up in the rerun cycle when I was young, but I really like it now. A good, solid unique sci-if concept and another great showcase of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship.

Going through the episodes week by week with commercials has been eye-opening. Maybe it's because I'm older, maybe it's because I have more context on the time, or maybe it's because episodes are paced better with ads in them, but eps I used to hate, I'm okay with/like now, and ones I used to adore have lost their luster. Maybe I watched them too many times?
 
Going through the episodes week by week with commercials has been eye-opening. Maybe it's because I'm older, maybe it's because I have more context on the time, or maybe it's because episodes are paced better with ads in them, but eps I used to hate, I'm okay with/like now, and ones I used to adore have lost their luster. Maybe I watched them too many times?

It sounds to me like commercials are diluting the experience of quality as such. Meaning the "bad" episodes benefit from a distraction after every act, while the great ones just lose steam. This is not something I ever heard of, or would have predicted.
 
It sounds to me like commercials are diluting the experience of quality as such. Meaning the "bad" episodes benefit from a distraction after every act, while the great ones just lose steam. This is not something I ever heard of, or would have predicted.

I don't think that's it. I think "Balance of Terror" just isn't perfect. I never have, and now I'm better able to put my finger on why (the Blish novelization addresses at least one of the issues).

The two episodes I've always liked, and which I still like, are "The Enemy Within" and "The Naked Time" -- those didn't suffer at all for having commercials, and may even have been improved. If anything, the reason the "bad" episodes get better is they don't just rush by in a whirlwind and there's more time to appreciate what's good about them.

[shrug] The only really *bad* episode was "Mudd's Women" and even that one was good for the first two thirds. I can't tell you why "Where No Man Has Gone Before" failed to impress (though I recall it always has) other than the roughness of this first outing of the familiar crew. (I know you love it, and you love Shatner in it, and that's just fine. IDIC.)
 
Meaning the "bad" episodes benefit from a distraction after every act, while the great ones just lose steam.

Speaking of losing steam: Does anybody else recall watching TOS episodes in the late '70s/early '80s, when the stations broadcasting it would edit the episodes to make room for more commercials? I had that experience, and it was awful.

Before Paramount released their own edited-for-syndication package (around 1983, I think), the UHF station in my area would cut out five random minutes from every episode. No rhyme or reason to what they took out, either. It might be at the very beginning (Kara's dance from "Wolf in the Fold"), or the middle (the chapel scene in "The Tholian Web"). This really ruined the flow of the shows. When the entire series got released on VHS, I jumped at the chance to see the shows uncut again.
 
I grew up watching reruns in the early '80s, so probably, but I was young enough that I wouldn't have known what I was missing.
 
Growing up, I noticed the edits when I would rent the TOS episodes and record them on a tape. (Having two vcrs made this possible.)

I would see the Blockbuster tape one day, and a late Saturday night showing of the same episode another. I saw the difference, and after a couple times I pieced together that it was because the episodes on tv were cut. I didn't know why as a kid, but when I got older, I saw the pattern of less episode time per hour through the decades.

(It helps that I have box sets of scifi shows from the 60s all the way to today that I can use for comparison. There is a clear trend of less episode time each decade.)
 
My local syndicated station used to haphazardly snip out five minutes per episode. Just whatever five minutes was easiest it seemed.

Edited episodes are still being played. Some of the sub channels out there like MeTV run cut episodes.
 
Even the TNG episodes that get rerun now are cut down. (TNG episodes would be roughly 45 minutes, which includes the theme. Shows now are, at best, around 42 minutes, also including theme.)

I don't know if they still play them, but HEROES & ICONS aired all shows uncut. I always liked that about them.
 
Speaking of losing steam: Does anybody else recall watching TOS episodes in the late '70s/early '80s, when the stations broadcasting it would edit the episodes to make room for more commercials? I had that experience, and it was awful.

Before Paramount released their own edited-for-syndication package (around 1983, I think), the UHF station in my area would cut out five random minutes from every episode. No rhyme or reason to what they took out, either. It might be at the very beginning (Kara's dance from "Wolf in the Fold"), or the middle (the chapel scene in "The Tholian Web"). This really ruined the flow of the shows. When the entire series got released on VHS, I jumped at the chance to see the shows uncut again.

I remember the two eras of cut-for-commercials syndication. When the show was distributed on 16mm film and the cuts were big and few, they would usually cut the big music scene I was waiting for. Perfect example, "The Big Go" from "The Naked Time." Kirk's final elevator ride to the bridge would be cut. Then I would wait for it in "The Return of the Archons" and it would be cut for time, because apart from the music, that scene was pure filler. It would be cut from "The Immunity Syndrome" too, the dramatic scene with Kirk's personal log. It was painful.

I think it was 1985 when Paramount remastered the show for broadcast on tape. It was bright and clean now instead of dirty and bedraggled. Instead of one or two big cuts, there were hundreds of little ones, and it hurt the dialogue as well as the music. But the leap in picture quality was dramatic.
 
I think it was 1985 when Paramount remastered the show for broadcast on tape. It was bright and clean now instead of dirty and bedraggled. Instead of one or two big cuts, there were hundreds of little ones, and it hurt the dialogue as well as the music. But the leap in picture quality was dramatic.

And when that happened, the local station here -- no longer having to edit down 16mm films themselves -- actually touted these new Paramount versions as "Uncut! Unedited! In the original episode order by stardate."

In no time at all, fan commotion (including me) was crying foul. Really, you'd think they'd have realized that 46 minute videotapes were indeed shorter than 51 minute 16mm films ...
 
Uhgh was watching the Return to Tomorrow ep on TV and they cut off Spock's or was it Kirk's sexist joke at the end about women being totally illogical. OK maybe that was a good thing
 
Sorry it was the Blish (novel) version I was thinking of. where Spock talks about "the jungle of illogic" in Chapel's brain.
Good so they haven't been cutting off the endings. I could almost swear I saw this on-screen but I obviously am mistaken.
I quite like "Return to Tomorrow". The thing that spoils it for me is Majel. Come on Majel don't act so stupid!
 
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