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Revisiting Star Trek Continues...

Warped9

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Mods: if you feel this should be in the Fan Productions forum then move it there. But given STC is so tied to TOS I thought it would have greater exposure here in the TOS/TAS forum.


It's been quite awhile since I've done a Star Trek series rewatch and I still plan to do that, but recently I've had the urge to do a slightly different rewatch by revisiting a series that purported to springboard from the third season of TOS as a (greatly) abbreviated fourth and fifth season: Star Trek Continues.

Several years ago I was initially quite a fan of STC as it felt (to me) the most authentic and faithful of fan productions. The premise was to give us further adventures of our heroes aboard the Enterprise as if they had been produced in 1969/70. To a very large extent they did that. Anyone watching STC could almost swear it was filmed back in the day with the major exception of a wholly new cast playing the familiar characters as well as introducing a couple of new ones.

STC did a lot of things I liked and applauded and some things I had issue with which I felt undermined its overall intent. Some of those issues would be very difficult to avoid while others could have been fixed with some editing of the script.

I would rather evaluate the episodes on an individual basis where my criticisms, whatever they might be, are in regard to the story and storytelling itself rather than whatever overall issues I might have with the series. So allow me to get those out of the way first.


Pros:

In terms of production the series looks fantastic and even professional. Rarely does it look like it was made "on the cheap." Indeed I can think of only one instance where it looked "off" and it's not really bad in the sense I think very few might even notice. Contemporary production resources make it possible to recreate the look of the original series possibly much more easily than it was done originally in the 1960s. Filming the series in the old-school 4:3 aspect ratio also lends it a more authentic look rather than using the contemporary 16:9 widescreen aspect ratio. The series also usually excelled in terms of vfx except on rare occasion when something looked a bit too contemporary and making it look out of place for something that was supposed to look like it was made in 1969/70. The vfx of the Enterprise in particular is outstanding, not surprising given Doug Drexler had a hand in bringing the Enterprise to life in STC. The result is a cgi model that looks far superior to what was seen in CBS' cgi model in their remastered versions of the original episodes in TOS-R. The Enterprise in STC looks like a really cleaned up version of the original vfx--I often found it stunning.

In terms of casting I think it was a mixed bag ranging from quite good to okay. I say this with the consideration you have to give yourself a chance to get used to the new cast in the familiar roles because they would never replace the original cast with which we have been familiar for so long. Because TOS has been in constant circulation since its original run the original cast has, in a sense, remained forever young in our eyes wherein we don't have to rely on faded memories of a long defunct television series. Also, in fairness, to the new cast, they didn't really try to fully imitate their predecessors, but rather channeled some of the original cast's performances within their own portrayals. I think this worked to reasonable effect as it makes it easier to accept the new cast on their own terms rather than seeing them as mere imitators.

The cast was also helped by usually decent writing that helps the cast sound like the original characters. It often isn't hard to imagine the original cast saying these new lines because it usually suited their respective characters.

Guest and new characters were usually rather strong in STC, not surprising given a lot of them were professional actors in their own right with established credentials.

All the stories, all eleven episodes, were generally well told regardless of what I thought of individual stories. Indeed I didn't find any of the episodes to be so cringe inducing or disappointmenting to the degree I found a few of the original series episodes. They largely fit within the context of the original series as live-action. If anything contemporary resources allowed STC to do some things that could have been done back in the day only if they had had a bit more time and money, or in some cases a bit more daring to challenge connection. Essentially STC did some things that not only could have been done in TOS, but actually should have done. And maybe they might have done some of those things if TOS had had perhaps one more full season in its run.

Cons:

My biggest overall criticism of STC is where I felt they lost sight of what they seemed to be trying to do. This made itself apparent in a few ways--some quite subtle and difficult to guard against and some quite blatant that could have been easily avoided with some smart editing. In fairness the latter comes done to what the overall intent of the series was.

If you are trying to create stories in the vein of the original series and you want it to feel as authentic as you can make it then you have to strive to put yourself into the mindset of the original creators. To that end you really should try to ignore whatever came after the original series to avoid injecting anything the original creators would never have been aware of or could never even imagine. Inserting overt references and callouts to later productions undermines striving for a sense of authenticity as those things did not yet exist and couldn't have been imagined back in the day. I know a lot of fans like the "fan service" of callouts and trying to tie everything together, but it does lessen the suspension of disbelief that the show was done today rather than 1969. I know also many fans, no matter how professional they strive to be, can't seem to resist showing off how well versed they are in Star Trek lore. Some viewers won't be put off by this fan service while others, such as myself, find it disappointing.

Another way of undermining the sense of authenticity is doing stories that never would have been done originally in TOS. In STC there are a couple of stories that obviously wanted to address something that TOS never would have done. That's isn't to say the stories themselves were poorly done, quite the contrary, but they were story ideas that never would have occurred to the original creators. To that end they feel like pure fan-fiction albeit very polished fan-fiction. They are, in effect, indulgences, but nonetheless feel somewhat out of place for something trying to look like it was done immediately following the original three seasons of TOS. Again some fans won't have an issue with this while some might.

In terms of storytelling there were times it felt like STC was writing stories more in the vein of TNG rather than TOS. This showed itself in terms of contemporary perspectives in the writing that simply wouldn't have been there back in the day.

My final issue, which is really more of a nitpick, is in regards to the overall perspective or mindset of STC's creators. And what I'm talking about can sometimes be difficult to avoid.

The creators of STC were not producing a show with a 1960's perspective. They were making something with an early 21st century perspective and influenced by their knowledge of all that has happened since 1969. This made itself apparent in how some of the dialogue for the characters was written and the injecting of 21st century social perspectives that simply wouldn't have been on the radar of the original series creators. It could even be seen in the insertion of more contemporary Trek technobabble that simply wouldn't have existed back in the day as TOS had its own style of (limited) technobabble. References to things like "nannites" and "resonant frequency" and other contemporary Trek technical terms really stick out for something trying to recreate a production where such terms would never have been used.


That's it. And so tomorrow I'll do my first rewatch of the first STC episode "Pilgrim Of Eternity."

Stay tuned...
 
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The biggest problem that prevents me from enjoying Continues as much as I once did is Vic Mignogna himself. I've rewatched the series once since the news of his sexual harassment charges came out and ended his career, and I just can't shake his specter from the experience.

It's a damn shame because there were so many talented folks in the cast and crew giving it their all. I still believe Todd Haberkorn is one of the best Spocks I've ever seen. Even Michele Specht's Dr. MacKenna won me over after a fashion.

The least of my concerns was the supposed "lack of authenticity" in the execution. I didn't come to Star Trek Continues for how pure of a sequel to TOS it was, so I appreciated the series' attempt to push the characters and the world forward into the movie era.
 
The biggest problem that prevents me from enjoying Continues as much as I once did is Vic Mignogna himself. I've rewatched the series once since the news of his sexual harassment charges came out and ended his career, and I just can't shake his specter from the experience.

It's a damn shame because there were so many talented folks in the cast and crew giving it their all. I still believe Todd Haberkorn is one of the best Spocks I've ever seen. Even Michele Specht's Dr. MacKenna won me over after a fashion.

The least of my concerns was the supposed "lack of authenticity" in the execution. I didn't come to Star Trek Continues for how pure of a sequel to TOS it was, so I appreciated the series' attempt to push the characters and the world forward into the movie era.
I never heard about any of the issues surrounding Vic Mignogna. And to be sure there is no shortage of actors that have had issues in the real world even as we might have enjoyed their performances onscreen. When I'm watching something I'm trying to immerse myself in that world and not considering anything else outside of it.

I will go on record at this point that I really didn't like them connecting so directly to TMP. Beyond how the story itself is told, which I will comment on when I rewatch it, this element more than any other really undermined my suspension of disbelief, because we know for a fact that TOS' creators would never have had any inkling whatsoever of what was to come a decade later in Trek.

Most of the casting of the main characters were quite good. Although I'm not really onboard with the introduction of a ship's counsellor in TOS, a very TNG thing, I cannot in any way fault Michelle Specht's performance. I think Grant Imahara's portrayal of Sulu was okay, but I felt he overacted a bit at times. Kim Stinger's portrayal of Uhura was fine, but Nichelle Nichols had an aura, a touch of the exotic particularly in how she spoke, that no actress who has portrayed Uhura since has ever had.

Todd Haberkorn was quite good as Spock. My only nitpick is that his voice was softer than Leonard Nimoy's, but that didn't detract from his performance. I thought Larry Nemecek's portrayal of McCoy was fine even if he didn't really look the part. Chuck Huber's performance as McCoy I sometimes felt was a bit forced although I thought he looked the part well enough.

Vic Mignogna's portrayal of Kirk was good, despite whatever issues he might have had off screen of which I have been totally unaware. He didn't try to outright imitate William Shatner although he did channel some of Shatner in his performance. I never bought Chris Pine as Kirk, but then part of that may be due to that I absolutely hate the JJtrek films and what they did to the property and the TOS characters. And no one else I've seen play Kirk (outside of Shatner, of course) has done it as well as Mignogna in my opinion.
 
I never heard about any of the issues surrounding Vic Mignogna. And to be sure there is no shortage of actors that have had issues in the real world even as we might have enjoyed their performances onscreen. When I'm watching something I'm trying to immerse myself in that world and not considering anything else outside of it.
It's hard to escape it now because he was such an inveterate sex pest on the anime convention circuit, not just with fans, but fellow voice actors that he worked with at ADV and Funimation.

STC is his creation, and he was involved at every level of it, on- and off-screen. This is one series where it's damn near impossible to extract one from the other, and I'm one that's usually able to separate art from artist.
 
Honestly, all the unfortunate revelations about Mignogna aside, my biggest annoyance about Star Trek Continues is that no article about it ever seems to mention that Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II came first.
 
Honestly, all the unfortunate revelations about Mignogna aside, my biggest annoyance about Star Trek Continues is that no article about it ever seems to mention that Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II came first.
I think some of the same actors were involved too. Stinger acted in both, I believe.
but STC kind of became the darling of CBS All Access for a little while, since a couple of actors were invited to the Discovery premier, and the Star Trek Continues site became an affiliate for the streaming service. Then news about Mignogna broke and and that was over.
 
Honestly, all the unfortunate revelations about Mignogna aside, my biggest annoyance about Star Trek Continues is that no article about it ever seems to mention that Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II came first.
Maybe so, but New Voyages/Phase II never worked for me. So it’s a pass for me.
 
It didn't hurt that Rod Roddenberry considered STC to be canon. And I agree with him, even if it's wrong.
 
Whatever issues regarding Vic Mignogna off screen might be I’d rather not have them rehashed here. Whatever anyone thinks one way or another no one is going to convince anyone else of changing their minds about it. If they really want to discuss this then, please, discuss it somewhere else.

I’ll be doing my first episode rewatch sometime today.
 
Grant Imahara was another STC actor who was in another fan production, as he'd been in Renegades. The phrase might be overused but Imahara's loss is still felt all over the place I think. It's like he should still be here and its odd that he isn't. He was a fan's fan. He'd built a fully working Baby Yoda to take to kids in hospitals just before he died.
 
Gene was a horn dog too, and I don't care.

I have really never bought any fan-Spock. Todd Haberkorn is a fine actor, but no one has Nimoy's phyisicality - it height and lankiness were all part of the mystique.


I enjoy most of the STC episodes very much. The first, say, half dozen were awesome. But I too felt they descended into fanwank towards the end of the series. The finale just seemed to be box-checking plot points to get us to "only starship left" and "TMP is next."

As for Phase II, they had some real turkeys in the beginning, and some real gems toward the end. I had an hour to kill recently and popped on the George Takei episode. Just brilliant.
 
Gene was a horn dog too, and I don't care.

I have really never bought any fan-Spock. Todd Haberkorn is a fine actor, but no one has Nimoy's phyisicality - it height and lankiness were all part of the mystique.


I enjoy most of the STC episodes very much. The first, say, half dozen were awesome. But I too felt they descended into fanwank towards the end of the series. The finale just seemed to be box-checking plot points to get us to "only starship left" and "TMP is next."

As for Phase II, they had some real turkeys in the beginning, and some real gems toward the end. I had an hour to kill recently and popped on the George Takei episode. Just brilliant.
Gene was very much a horn dog. And fortunately we weren’t watching a Roddenberry biography, but a very cool science fiction, action/adventure drama called Star Trek.

As I stated upthread I think Haberkorn was fine, but no one can replace Leonard Nimoy. And candidly no one can replace any of the original cast as their respective characters. They were each distinctive individuals who breathed life into their distinctive characters.

I, too, felt fan service creeped in ever more as the series progressed and they were checking off boxes to connect to TMP, which I felt was wholly unnecessary. They could have ended the series just by finally laying in a course back to Earth after one last adventure—that would have been far more authentic as a series finale and much more likely what TOS would have done if they had had a proper series finale.

In extant I think they took the line in TMP of the Enterprise being the only starship in range to intercept Vger and conflated it with the idea in the TMP novelization that the Enterprise was the only Constitution-class to return to come up with the plot thread in STC that the Connies were somehow defective. That really rankled for me and I felt it, too, was wholly unnecessary. The TMP novelization isn’t strictly canon if you go by only visual productions being canon. The line in TMP is sufficient to stand on its own and didn’t need any further rationalizations. It simply meant exactly what it said, no more and no less.
 
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lots of people get aroused but they know when to take their business to Rosey Palm. its hard to feel sorry for people who wreck other people's lives and their own. Gene got away with it, because the time he was in. Laurel Goodwin had plenty to say about Roddenberry's casting methods.
Anyway, the discussion of what did or didn't happen with Mignogna is not going to end well.
 
For all its flaws, I still think STC outshines everything that CBS has made for my taste. I don’t mean to say all modern Trek is bad or anything, just that STC is making Star Trek in a classic style. I find that modern Trek too often seems to be searching for a way to reinvent Trek into something broader, more action focused, or comedic, or geared towards kids etc. I prefer Trek in the Roddenberry/Berman mold so STC is just more up my alley
 
For all its flaws, I still think STC outshines everything that CBS has made for my taste. I don’t mean to say all modern Trek is bad or anything, just that STC is making Star Trek in a classic style. I find that modern Trek too often seems to be searching for a way to reinvent Trek into something broader, more action focused, or comedic, or geared towards kids etc. I prefer Trek in the Roddenberry/Berman mold so STC is just more up my alley
I’ve heard that said a lot, but I’ve always felt that ST looked like TOS — most especially with the lighting, which was very well recreated — but the stories definitely felt more modern-day. Actually in ways not dissimilar to Discovery, of all things, with the increased focus on characters’ feelings and unresolved issues as plot generators. (Yes, I know this happened in TOS and the movies too, but it seemed to be to a greater extent in STC.)
 
“Pilgrim Of Eternity” - 4.5/5

Stardate: 6147.3 - The Enterprise encounters once again the being known as the ancient Greek god Apollo.


From the get-go this is very much a treat. As a long devoted TOS fan this was really fun to watch. Yes, there is the adjustment of seeing new actors in place of the familiar cast, but beyond that I find very little to criticize here. And hearing the long familiar TOS music tracks in tandem with seeing those fantastic sets beautifully recreated is a massive grin inducing experience. In extent hearing that familiar fanfare accompanying a very nice cgi model of the Enterprise was is crazy cool. This looks very much like what a really cleaned up TOS could look like while maintaining that original TOS aesthetic. The overall production standard here was first-rate for what it was trying to achieve, and any criticism I have is really only minor nitpicking.

The new cast does a (mostly) admirable job in their respective roles. With most of them I found them quite natural in their respective roles which made it much easier to accept them. The only one I felt was off the mark was Grant Imahara as Sulu. He struck me as over playing it a bit. We know him to having been a big Trek fan and I think his enthusiasm was showing a bit too much.

Chris Doohan as Scotty was an interesting bit of casting given he is James Doohan’s son. Todd Haberkorn as Spock works quite well only at this point his hair style is not yet quite right. 😁 I found myself quite liking Larry Nemecek as McCoy. Vic Mignogna as Kirk really won me over.

What really helps is that none of the new cast were trying to outright imitate the original cats’s performances, but merely channel some of them into their own portrayals. It’s a fine line that generally worked well. No one can replace William Shatner or Leonard Nimoy, or any of the others, but I found myself going with it with little difficulty.

Having Michael Forest reprise his role as Apollo was inspired. His presence almost seemed to encourage everyone else to rise to the occasion so that they didn’t seem outclassed in comparison.

In this story we’re introduced to a new regular character aboard the Enterprise: Michelle Specht as Dr. Elysse McKenna, the new ship’s Counselor. I will say introducing a ship’s Counselor into the TOS era strikes me as really fannish in trying to inject a TNG element into TOS, something that wouldn’t have been on the radar when TOS was in production. It’s just off for me. It also echoes something else from the past. Way back when TOS’ first pilot “The Cage” was being made Gene Roddenberry cast his then extramarital girlfriend, Majel Barrett, in a significant role as the Enterprise’s second-in-command, Number One. Now, here, Vic Mignogna cast his then fiancee Michelle Specht, in a prominent recurring role for STC. If they really had to do this why not have her portray the ship’s psychiatrist as we had seen previously in TOS with Dr. Elizabeth Dehner and Dr. Helen Noel?

That said I have to say Michelle Specht’s performance was good and very natural. She never came across as amateurish in any way whatsoever. I might question her role, but I can’t argue her screen presence.

Now the story. What are the odds that TOS would revisit a previous character or storyline given Roddenberry’s idea was the Enterprise was heading outward and therefore very unlikely to encounter the same people more than once? They encountered Klingons and Romulans more than once, but not the exact same characters they had encountered before. They did encounter a previous character again only once, Harry Mudd, and it was treated as a fantastic coincidence which allowed it to work. Yes, they did encounter Mudd, and a few other characters, in TAS but not in TOS. And note that STC doesn’t seem to be acknowledging TAS as having happened in the live-action continuity.

Nonetheless it’s not impossible, but highly unlikely TOS would have brought back Apollo for another story. That said this followup does work as a means of redeeming the character for his past deeds. It’s not a story that needed to be told, but it still works and doesn’t undermine the original episode “Who Mourns For Adonais?” And it does feel very much like like a story we could have seen from TOS.

What really brings all the elements together here is the writing. I have very little to criticize here because it plays very much like an original TOS story. The staging, the direction, the spoken words all sound exactly right. I could easily envision the original cast doing these things and and saying these words. As a proof of concept this production delivered and brought home the bacon. I found myself really buying into this could have been done 1969.

Another thing I only just noticed this time around was watching the reactions of some of the characters, notably McKenna and Uhura, in the background when Apollo is confronted by Kirk and flexing his god-like powers. McKenna and Uhura’s reactions really help sell the scene.

The criticisms I have here are minor and mostly in regard to some of the vfx. Given a bit more time and money TOS could have done more, but there are some visuals here that might have challenged TOS without a lot more time and money. It still looks good, but I wonder if TOS could have pulled them off.

In the end this is a 4.5 out of 5. It’s really quite good for a first effort and my criticisms are really minor.

 
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