Reveal: New transporter design!

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The reasoning against TOS production design in DSC so far had been that modern audiences wouldn't go for TOS retro-futurism. Well, with this transporter room that certainly goes out the window because it looks like something straight out of '30s-'50s retro sci-fi. I wouldn't be surprised if someone shouted "It's alive!" when first entering the set.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

The reasoning against TOS production design in DSC so far had been that modern audiences wouldn't go for TOS retro-futurism. Well, with this transporter room that certainly goes out the window because it looks like something straight out of '30s-'50s retro sci-fi. I wouldn't be surprised if someone shouted "It's alive!" when first entering the set.

LOL, no. You are complaining because it does not look like a fan film. we both know if they updated it to this degree you would be upset. This does not look 1960's old. It looks a bit retro, but more late 90's sci-fi than 1960's sci-fi. This does not look 50's or 60's it has a freaking circle that only vaguely, kinda, well its a freaking circle, looks like a kinda almost( being a freaking circle) prop in older movies

It does not look dated, it does not look campy fanfilm TOS, it looks modern with a few tiny retro hints( and that not being a circle) such as TOS style guns. How you guys find this set to be old when it look 100'000 times better than anything TOS had is beyond me.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Again with the fan film comparisons! How would a modern TV series with a budget of $6 to 7 million per episode would look exactly like fan production with 1% of the budget is beyond me! Even if they share exactly the same production design they certainly don't have the same budget, resources and production values !

 

[Jesse1066]

LOL, no. You are complaining because it does not look like a fan film. we both know if they updated it to this degree you would be upset. This does not look 1960's old. It looks a bit retro, but more late 90's sci-fi than 1960's sci-fi. This does not look 50's or 60's it has a freaking circle that only vaguely, kinda, well its a freaking circle, looks like a kinda almost( being a freaking circle) prop in older movies

It does not look dated, it does not look campy fanfilm TOS, it looks modern with a few tiny retro hints( and that not being a circle) such as TOS style guns. How you guys find this set to be old when it look 100'000 times better than anything TOS had is beyond me.

Nobody wants it to look "like a fan film." Just for it to look like they took the general style of TOS (especially The Cage, which didn't yet have the arguably garish TOS color scheme) and updated it to a more modern standard (and a different ship). Totally doable, but clearly not what they'be done. I get the feeling you hate the TOS look, but that just makes updating it more of a challenge. A challenge the production designers apparently did not accept aside from prop design.

 

[Mudd]

Just for it to look like they took the general style of TOS (especially The Cage, which didn't yet have the arguably garish TOS color scheme) and updated it to a more modern standard (and a different ship). Totally doable,

That would have been a really bad idea.

You know who did reach back for the "general style of TOS" and did it successfully in a modern way was J.J. Abrams and Bad Robot, for the nuTrek films. What they were consciously trying to do, though, was to evoke the kind of mid-century "cool" of the original Trek's aesthetic; the movies are retro and nostalgic.

(Aside: I'm gonna get tired of "aesthetic" when everyone else has finally done with "iconic.")

The intent with Discovery does not appear to be in any specific way nostalgic; they're really at least trying, a little, to bring a contemporary look and feel to the show. This is why I think it may be more distressing, as it unfolds, for very conservative fans than the nuTrek movies ultimately were.

 

[Jesse1066]

That would have been a really bad idea.

You know who did reach back for the "general style of TOS" and did it successfully in a modern way was J.J. Abrams and Bad Robot, for the nuTrek films. What they were consciously trying to do, though, was to evoke the kind of mid-century "cool" of the original Trek's aesthetic; the movies are retro and nostalgic.

(Aside: I'm gonna get tired of "aesthetic" when everyone else has finally done with "iconic.")

The intent with Discovery does not appear to be in any specific way nostalgic; they're really at least trying, a little, to bring a contemporary look and feel to the show. This is why I think it may be more distressing, as it unfolds, for very conservative fans than the nuTrek movies ultimately were.

Abrams did it, not quite the way I would have liked, but at least with the excuse that it's a different universe. They should have just not set Discovery ten years before TOS.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Abrams did it successfully in a modern way and with real reverence for the source material... in The Force Awakens.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Nobody wants it to look "like a fan film." Just for it to look like they took the general style of TOS (especially The Cage, which didn't yet have the arguably garish TOS color scheme) and updated it to a more modern standard (and a different ship). Totally doable, but clearly not what they'be done. I get the feeling you hate the TOS look, but that just makes updating it more of a challenge. A challenge the production designers apparently did not accept aside from prop design.

I do not hate it the TOS look, for a 1960's TV show. But anything modern will not look like that, it will look fan film. Look how people hate on the new films, they tried that and they look gimiky at times, so much so they get them out of those goofy uniforms for the majority of the films.

The TOS look was dead when ENT was created. Only a tiny number of people want what you are suggesting, a tiny shrinking number at that.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

And endless teeth gashing over the transporter room and ships not looking like the TOS Constitution, which is really the lameduck of trek.

Are we talking about the same TOS Constitution that's an exhibit at the Smithsonian’s National Air and Space Museum? The same TOS Constitution model that the Smithsonian spent a year and thousands of dollars to restore it? That's the "lame duck of Trek"?

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[Jesse1066]

The TOS look was dead when ENT was created..

Enterprise got the computer interface just right, among other things. If anything, it looked too much like TOS. http://www.lcars.org.uk/anno_ent22.htm

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Are we talking about the same TOS Constitution that's an exhibit at the Smithsonian’s National Air and Space Museum? The same TOS Constitution model that the Smithsonian spent a year and thousands of dollars to restore it? That's the "lame duck of Trek"?

Yep, its not in there because it fits Trek, its there because it launched trek. Look at all the canon ships, all the styles, the TOS connie is the one that does not belong in the lineup. You can see the TMP ship as a legacy of the NX, but not the TOS ship, it does not belong in the lineages.

I know you guys don't like hearing the truth but that ship simply no longer fits in the Federation ship lineage and has not since ENT. It simply is a child of the 60's and does not fit, nor does it make any kind of sense. Now the TMP ship fits, heck maybe even the Phase II ship( which was Roddenberry throwing out the TOS design), but the TOS ship just does not logically fit in any way. Its more primitive than the NX, it screams "Hey I am from the 60's and I am Groovy baby"

So yeah, its trek Lameduck ship design, one its creator tossed away at his first, 2nd and 3rd chance.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Enterprise got the computer interface just right, among other things. If anything, it looked too much like TOS. http://www.lcars.org.uk/anno_ent22.htm

Your link is not working for me, but nothing in ENT looked as dated as TOS. Heck it really looked newer than WoK onward ship design. Because while many are cool, some of that sows its age and trek so loved to reuse sets.

 

[fireproof78]

Abrams did it successfully in a modern way and with real reverence for the source material... in The Force Awakens.

He did fine with ST 09.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

He did fine with ST 09.

This is some of the issue. They very people demanding discovery look "retro" hated ST 09 in every single way. I bet you can likely find old posts of them screaming with how the uniforms are totally wrong in every way and on every other subject.

Heck even a try to make 09 style uniforms would have them revolting as its "the kelvin" timeline. Heck people can not accept its not even after they have been told like 300 times because it does not look like a low budget fan film.

 

[Mudd]

Are we talking about the same TOS Constitution that's an exhibit at the Smithsonian’s National Air and Space Museum? The same TOS Constitution model that the Smithsonian spent a year and thousands of dollars to restore?

It does belong in a museum, you know.

There are biplanes there too. Figure Discovery can use them as shuttlecraft?

 

[Jesse1066]

Your link is not working for me, but nothing in ENT looked as dated as TOS. Heck it really looked newer than WoK onward ship design. Because while many are cool, some of that sows its age and trek so loved to reuse sets.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I have no idea what this is or what It has to do with what I was saying in any way.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I have no idea what this is or what It has to do with what I was saying in any way.

A graphic from Enterprise as mentioned in post #250

 

[Jesse1066]

I have no idea what this is or what It has to do with what I was saying in any way.

It's what was in the link you said didn't work for you. An example of the computer interface on the NX-01.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

It's what was in the link you said didn't work for you. An example of the computer interface on the NX-01.

My fault I misunderstood. Its been a long, long day man, I apologize for any confusion. That site at long last did load, I have no idea what the hang up was. Very nifty site.