Reveal: New transporter design!

[Albinator]

If by "Closest to TNG" you mean this supposed big budget feature came across as a mediocre TNG TV episode withj HORRIBLE dialog and juvenile humor that really wasn't funny with lines like:

Nice snark, but no, by closest, I meant in terms of story and concept. TNG was not an action show (First Contact) and wasn't ever anything so tonally dark (Nemesis). Generations was closest in tone, Insurrection closest in story. First Contact was easily the most enjoyable, but didn't feel like a continuation of the show.

That said, none of the classic films felt like like a continuation of TOS. My point was simply that Insurrection probably started as an attempt to properly capture the type of story the show was known for, but got off track trying to turn it into big feature film, and it eventually just got turned into a garbled mess of jumbled ideas and tonally inconsistent attempts at action, humor, and bombast, none of which the show ever excelled at.

 

[Psion]

I did enjoy reading Lisabeth Shatner's book on the making of TFF. She worked as her dad's assistant during the making, and it actually painted an even picture on the making of the movie. It didn't really make it out to be everything isn't her dad's fault, more reported what was going on.

Yep. I enjoyed that book. But then I was a big fan of all the 'making of' books that were published back then.

We have to knock off this positive dialog and liking each other's posts, you know. If we don't have a typical TrekBBS bar fight that draws the moderators in soon, someone's going to notice our locations are within a stone's throw of each other and conclude one of us is the other's sock puppet.

 

[Albinator]

Some of those you have backwards - http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/reused_ship_interiors.htm

Mostly the reuse was movie-> TNG, with the exception, as you pointed out, of Star Trek VI.
TMP's costumes were also reused extensively, the Starfleet uniforms were dyed and used for the remainder of the movies as the enlisted costumes, and the Klingon costumes were used for years.

There's a lot I didn't know about the re-used sets from the cited article (thanks for that) such as the corridors and crew quarters (I was however aware of the battle bridge, a set they hardly ever ended up using).

TNG still built a lot of new sets, though, more than a typical show of that era. I think the later movies probably benefitted more from TNG than TNG did from the movies, so even if they'd built all new sets for TNG, they'd have been amortized across 7 seasons. A lot of the TNG sets were barely re-dressed for those movies, too... most likely because they were still filming TNG. Much of the STV and STVI "redresses" consisted of them altering the lighting.

 

[Kor]

Yes, and there was an effort to go for something really big in the premise, one that Roddenberry himself kept trying to do for years before hand: what if God came back and he wasn't really a good guy?

There is a lot in Final Frontier that I love. And there would have been even more had Paramount not dicked around with Shatner's budget. Unfortunately, there's also Spock's rocket boots, 79 decks on the Enterprise, Uhura naked, and three-breasted catwomen getting splashed into a 'pool-table'. It's such a bizarre mix. Marshmellons on one side, being one with the mountain on the other. Chekov getting to be 'keptin' ... and Scotty walking headfirst into a pipe. The amazing scene with McCoy's dad ... but then there's also General Korrd's belching. The first time I watched this movie, I came out puzzled ... did I like Trek V or not? And I still can't figure that one out!

You didn't like it. Trust me.

Kor

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Yep. I enjoyed that book. But then I was a big fan of all the 'making of' books that were published back then.

We have to knock off this positive dialog and liking each other's posts, you know. If we don't have a typical TrekBBS bar fight that draws the moderators in soon, someone's going to notice our locations are within a stone's throw of each other and conclude one of us is the other's sock puppet.

Oh yeah?!?!!? Relax, Cupcake, it was a joke!

(is that good to start a bar fight?)

 

[Mudd]

The central part of the TMP engineering set - the multiple-level walkways and warp-shaft area - were re-used for TNG and I believe for Voyager. There was some structural steelwork there that made sense to maintain.

The "pool table" status display area of TNG's engineering was essentially a TMP corridor with the walls pullted several feet further apart, the status display from Starfleet Headquarters used in ST:TVH placed in the center and new backlit graphics installed everywhere.

 

[Psion]

Oh yeah?!?!!? Relax, Cupcake, it was a joke!

(is that good to start a bar fight?)

Your mother's a moderator!

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Your mother's a moderator!

Laddie...don't ya think ya should...rephrase that?

 

[Psion]

Laddie...don't ya think ya should...rephrase that?

You're r-r-right. I should.

I didn't mean to say your mother's a moderator.

I meant to say your mother should be hauled away AS a moderator!

 

[KirkusOveractus]

You're r-r-right. I should.

I didn't mean to say your mother's a moderator.

I meant to say your mother should be hauled away AS a moderator!

Oh yeah? Well you're a swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood!

 

[Jedman67]

Oh yeah? Well you're a swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood!

Why not steel-plated?

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Why not steel-plated?

Tin is a little easier to mold into shape, plus it will get him riled up more saying he's tin!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I always thought that "tin-plated dictator" was a corruption of "tin-pot dictator."

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tin-pot_dictator

Noun
tin-pot dictator (plural tin-pot dictators)

1. An autocratic ruler with little political credibility, but with self-delusions of grandeur.

Usage notes
Although still used today, this is a pejorative term coined in the days of the colonial British Empire, and referred to the Victorian innovation of the tin-pot, a very cheap metal container, the forerunner of the modern tin can.​