Retro Look Good Enough for Another Sci Fi Remake

[Qonos]

People who didn't think the old series was any good.

Wait--that's "change for change's sake"...how?

Change for change sake killed TOS. People who thought TOS wasn't any good killed the franchise. Get it ?

But the show ran the same for all the episodes so nothing was change which just killed your point, GET IT......

When ST came back Almost everything was changed from the uniforms to the bridge to the way warp drive looked on screen.

They changed it again even going so far as to take the color coding of the uniforms and make command the red shirts and the yellow shirts security and enginering.. Madly successful show TNG was.

Which once again DISPROVES your change point.. Change in Trek has always made a critical differance and always allowed the show to move forward.

 

[xortex]

^^^

No, NBC cancelled it (twice) because of low ratings.

Looking back on it, was that a good move or a bit short sighted ?

 

[xortex]

The changes in TMP were because Captain Kirk, AKA William Shatner got 11 years older so that had to be reflected in the redesign. Now do you GET IT ?

 

[El_Nastro]

A retro-look would be good for novelty-purposes, but when the original Star Trek was made they didn't look back to Flash Gordon for set-design inspiration. They tried to put together the most futuristic look possible. Same with Forbidden Planet - they tried to make it look futuristic. That's what Star Trek has always been about - looking as futuristic as possible based on what we know now, not what we thought the future would look like 40 years ago.

 

[number6]

^^^

No, NBC cancelled it (twice) because of low ratings.

Looking back on it, was that a good move or a bit short sighted ?

If it weren't cancelled it would have never been a cult hit.
A fourth season would have meant a cut budget and more retread stories. They had already run out of ideas by season two and Gene Coon was working fulltime on The Wild Wild West. There would have never been a Phase II or an attempt to bring it to the big screen, generating interest in new series.

 

[xortex]

^^^

No, NBC cancelled it (twice) because of low ratings.

Looking back on it, was that a good move or a bit short sighted ?

If it weren't cancelled it would have never been a cult hit.
A fourth season would have meant a cut budget and more retread stories. They had already run out of ideas by season two and Gene Coon was working fulltime on The Wild Wild West. There would have never been a Phase II or an attempt to bring it to the big screen, generating interest in new series.

You wouldn't would have liked to see it run seven seasons ? Whi knows it might have gotten better especially if GR had come back.

 

[Gepard]

The changes in TMP were because Captain Kirk, AKA William Shatner got 11 years older so that had to be reflected in the redesign. Now do you GET IT ?

Wh...what?

Hey, now Kirk is being played by a totally new actor. I bet that shouldn't be reflected in the redesign, though, because Abrams is destroying Star Trek.

 

[ST-One]

The changes in TMP were because Captain Kirk, AKA William Shatner got 11 years older so that had to be reflected in the redesign. Now do you GET IT ?

No. This doesn't make any sense.

 

[xortex]

The changes in TMP were because Captain Kirk, AKA William Shatner got 11 years older so that had to be reflected in the redesign. Now do you GET IT ?

No. This doesn't make any sense.

The Star Trek universe itself aged and got older and therefore changed.

 

[number6]

Looking back on it, was that a good move or a bit short sighted ?

If it weren't cancelled it would have never been a cult hit.
A fourth season would have meant a cut budget and more retread stories. They had already run out of ideas by season two and Gene Coon was working fulltime on The Wild Wild West. There would have never been a Phase II or an attempt to bring it to the big screen, generating interest in new series.

You wouldn't would have liked to see it run seven seasons ? Whi knows it might have gotten better especially if GR had come back.

Of course I would. Do I think it would have been a cult hit that endured a 40 year legacy as a result of a 7-year run? No. I lived in the seventies, it would have been cancelled and replaced by a Pivate Eye show. As I said, they were running out of ideas in season 2 and that was with GR. Coon got burnt out and left. Justman left by mid season 3. The creative/prodution team had lost two of its secret weapons. Roddenberry had alienated a bunch of the real sci-fi writers. Actors salarie increases allowed less money for good scripts. Gulf/Western was not allowing as much creative leeway as the old guard at Desilu, who basically left them alone. The show was being watered down by the network and the business people behind the scenes. The landscape of creative television in Hollywood was changing. We would not be talking about Star Trek and its legacy today had the show not been cancelled.

 

[xortex]

If it weren't cancelled it would have never been a cult hit.
A fourth season would have meant a cut budget and more retread stories. They had already run out of ideas by season two and Gene Coon was working fulltime on The Wild Wild West. There would have never been a Phase II or an attempt to bring it to the big screen, generating interest in new series.

You wouldn't would have liked to see it run seven seasons ? Whi knows it might have gotten better especially if GR had come back.

Of course I would. Do I think it would have been a cult hit that endured a 40 year legacy as a result of a 7-year run? No. I lived in the seventies, it would have been cancelled and replaced by a Pivate Eye show. As I said, they were running out of ideas in season 2 and that was with GR. Coon got burnt out and left. Justman left by mid season 3. The creative/prodution team had lost two of its secret weapons. Roddenberry had alienated a bunch of the real sci-fi writers. Actors salarie increases allowed less money for good scripts. Gulf/Western was not allowing as much creative leeway as the old guard at Desilu, who basically left them alone. The show was being watered down by the network and the business people behind the scenes. The landscape of creative television in Hollywood was changing. We would not be talking about Star Trek and its legacy today had the show not been cancelled.

That's only because GR was on the outs. We don't know what could or would have happened.

 

[number6]

You wouldn't would have liked to see it run seven seasons ? Whi knows it might have gotten better especially if GR had come back.

Of course I would. Do I think it would have been a cult hit that endured a 40 year legacy as a result of a 7-year run? No. I lived in the seventies, it would have been cancelled and replaced by a Pivate Eye show. As I said, they were running out of ideas in season 2 and that was with GR. Coon got burnt out and left. Justman left by mid season 3. The creative/prodution team had lost two of its secret weapons. Roddenberry had alienated a bunch of the real sci-fi writers. Actors salarie increases allowed less money for good scripts. Gulf/Western was not allowing as much creative leeway as the old guard at Desilu, who basically left them alone. The show was being watered down by the network and the business people behind the scenes. The landscape of creative television in Hollywood was changing. We would not be talking about Star Trek and its legacy today had the show not been cancelled.

That's only because GR was on the outs. We don't know what could or would have happened.

Nope. You're completely wrong. It was because Star Trek was an expensive show that not enough people were watching. The show frequently ran over budget and getting shows produced on schedule was a major problem. The staff had to work 16 hour days just to meet production deadlines. Some staff left because of GR and being constantly rewritten, some left because they were burnt out (as was the case with Coon). That's irrecelvant to the changing climate of television in the late 60s/ early 70s. You're deluding yourself if you thing Gene Roddenberry producing a fourth season of Star Trel would have changed that.

Also look at the shows that have endured to be cult classics like TOS. Most of best of them only ran 2-4 years and were cancelled prematurely. Look at LIS, Gilligan's Island, Battlestar Galactica, etc.. No one goes to Bonanza conventions. That show ran for a good many years. And how many Mary Tyler Moore Show movies did they produce after that show went off the air. How many spinoff did the Waltons's have??

Star Trek is easily the big "What if??" for some, but pragmatism, television viewing habits, media trends and human nature would surely paint a different picture for Star Trek had its legend unfolded differently.

 

[xortex]

Of course I would. Do I think it would have been a cult hit that endured a 40 year legacy as a result of a 7-year run? No. I lived in the seventies, it would have been cancelled and replaced by a Pivate Eye show. As I said, they were running out of ideas in season 2 and that was with GR. Coon got burnt out and left. Justman left by mid season 3. The creative/prodution team had lost two of its secret weapons. Roddenberry had alienated a bunch of the real sci-fi writers. Actors salarie increases allowed less money for good scripts. Gulf/Western was not allowing as much creative leeway as the old guard at Desilu, who basically left them alone. The show was being watered down by the network and the business people behind the scenes. The landscape of creative television in Hollywood was changing. We would not be talking about Star Trek and its legacy today had the show not been cancelled.

That's only because GR was on the outs. We don't know what could or would have happened.

Nope. You're completely wrong. It was because Star Trek was an expensive show that not enough people were watching. The show frequently ran over budget and getting shows produced on schedule was a major problem. The staff had to work 16 hour days just to meet production deadlines. Some staff left because of GR and being constantly rewritten, some left because they were burnt out (as was the case with Coon). That's irrecelvant to the changing climate of television in the late 60s/ early 70s. You're deluding yourself if you thing Gene Roddenberry producing a fourth season of Star Trel would have changed that.

Also look at the shows that have endured to be cult classics like TOS. Most of best of them only ran 2-4 years and were cancelled prematurely. Look at LIS, Gilligan's Island, Battlestar Galactica, etc.. No one goes to Bonanza conventions. That show ran for a good many years. And how many Mary Tyler Moore Show movies did they produce after that show went off the air. How many spinoff did the Waltons's have??

Star Trek is easily the big "What if??" for some, but pragmatism, television viewing habits, media trends and human nature would surely paint a different picture for Star Trek had its legend unfolded differently.

So they might have gotten another creative team that would have done it cheaper and better. When was the last time you went to a Gilligan's Island convention ? Mary Tyler Moore spawned Rhoda but who's gonna go see a Mary Tyler Moore movie ? How could you possibly know what definately would have happened.

 

[number6]

That's only because GR was on the outs. We don't know what could or would have happened.

Nope. You're completely wrong. It was because Star Trek was an expensive show that not enough people were watching. The show frequently ran over budget and getting shows produced on schedule was a major problem. The staff had to work 16 hour days just to meet production deadlines. Some staff left because of GR and being constantly rewritten, some left because they were burnt out (as was the case with Coon). That's irrecelvant to the changing climate of television in the late 60s/ early 70s. You're deluding yourself if you thing Gene Roddenberry producing a fourth season of Star Trel would have changed that.

Also look at the shows that have endured to be cult classics like TOS. Most of best of them only ran 2-4 years and were cancelled prematurely. Look at LIS, Gilligan's Island, Battlestar Galactica, etc.. No one goes to Bonanza conventions. That show ran for a good many years. And how many Mary Tyler Moore Show movies did they produce after that show went off the air. How many spinoff did the Waltons's have??

Star Trek is easily the big "What if??" for some, but pragmatism, television viewing habits, media trends and human nature would surely paint a different picture for Star Trek had its legend unfolded differently.

So they might have gotten another creative team that would have done it cheaper and better.

They did. They brought in Fred Friedberger. And getting the creative team to do it cheaper was the reason Bob Justman left.

When was the last time you went to a Gilligan's Island convention ? Mary Tyler Moore spawned Rhoda but who's gonna go see a Mary Tyler Moore movie ?

Gilligan's Island conventions have happened. Their cult status spawned several made for TV events. MTM spawned 3 somewhat successful series.

How could you possibly know what definately would have happened.

I don't. But I know enough about reality to make a pretty good educated guess.

 

[xortex]

Nope. You're completely wrong. It was because Star Trek was an expensive show that not enough people were watching. The show frequently ran over budget and getting shows produced on schedule was a major problem. The staff had to work 16 hour days just to meet production deadlines. Some staff left because of GR and being constantly rewritten, some left because they were burnt out (as was the case with Coon). That's irrecelvant to the changing climate of television in the late 60s/ early 70s. You're deluding yourself if you thing Gene Roddenberry producing a fourth season of Star Trel would have changed that.

Also look at the shows that have endured to be cult classics like TOS. Most of best of them only ran 2-4 years and were cancelled prematurely. Look at LIS, Gilligan's Island, Battlestar Galactica, etc.. No one goes to Bonanza conventions. That show ran for a good many years. And how many Mary Tyler Moore Show movies did they produce after that show went off the air. How many spinoff did the Waltons's have??

Star Trek is easily the big "What if??" for some, but pragmatism, television viewing habits, media trends and human nature would surely paint a different picture for Star Trek had its legend unfolded differently.

So they might have gotten another creative team that would have done it cheaper and better.

They did. They brought in Fred Friedberger. And getting the creative team to do it cheaper was the reason Bob Justman left.

When was the last time you went to a Gilligan's Island convention ? Mary Tyler Moore spawned Rhoda but who's gonna go see a Mary Tyler Moore movie ?

Gilligan's Island conventions have happened. Their cult status spawned several made for TV events. MTM spawned 3 somewhat successful series.

How could you possibly know what definately would have happened.

I don't. But I know enough about reality to make a pretty good educated guess.

Yes things would have been different but is that necessarily a bad thing ? Would a Bonanza convention have had happened after three seasons, come on.

 

[number6]

So they might have gotten another creative team that would have done it cheaper and better.

They did. They brought in Fred Friedberger. And getting the creative team to do it cheaper was the reason Bob Justman left.


Gilligan's Island conventions have happened. Their cult status spawned several made for TV events. MTM spawned 3 somewhat successful series.

How could you possibly know what definately would have happened.

I don't. But I know enough about reality to make a pretty good educated guess.

Yes things would have been different but is that necessarily a bad thing ? Would a Bonanza convention have had happened after three seasons, come on.

I would love to have seen more of the original show. I grew up watching that show. Facts are facts: Star Trek getting cancelled prematurely and being discovered in syndicated reruns is what made Star Trek the Cult Favorite that it is. If it ran a fourth season the quality would have suffered.The drop in quality was apparent by mid-season2. They were lucky to get a second and third season. Star Trek ended at the right time. And we have four spinoff series, an animated series and 11 movies that prove that point.

 

[xortex]

They did. They brought in Fred Friedberger. And getting the creative team to do it cheaper was the reason Bob Justman left.


Gilligan's Island conventions have happened. Their cult status spawned several made for TV events. MTM spawned 3 somewhat successful series.




I don't. But I know enough about reality to make a pretty good educated guess.

Yes things would have been different but is that necessarily a bad thing ? Would a Bonanza convention have had happened after three seasons, come on.

I would love to have seen more of the original show. I grew up watching that show. Facts are facts: Star Trek getting cancelled prematurely and being discovered in syndicated reruns is what made Star Trek the Cult Favorite that it is. If it ran a fourth season the quality would have suffered.The drop in quality was apparent by mid-season2. They were lucky to get a second and third season. Star Trek ended at the right time. And we have four spinoff series, an animated series and 11 movies that prove that point.

No 6, are you gonna let me go to sleep tonight ? It's late where I am. Those points certainly don't prove anything to me.

 

[Akiraprise]

I guess you guys are gonna hafta agree to disagree then wontcha?

 

[number6]

I guess you guys are gonna hafta agree to disagree then wontcha?

You betcha!

 

[Akiraprise]

Good one.