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Resupplying Voyager...

Can we assume due to our first parntership with the Vulcans that they would have the knowledge of a better way?

I mean while science applies, we are also talking fiction here too.

Shrug; I don't know. We are stuck with the universe we have. It has to have some boundary to it in order for it to have information to exist. Some things should just be impossible. I suspect that transporters, and creating anti-matter out of thin air, are just two of the limits.
A fair and honest answer.:vulcan:
 
However, the ability to manipulate antimatter is something that doesn't come with a "known laws of nature forbid it" label - and thus should be prime material for science fiction extrapolation. It's certainly more plausible than the existence of Vulcans!

We are stuck with gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear influences. Electromagnetism is the only modulation we have that can influence anti-matter.

But Trek has gravity, too. They seem to be able to intensify gravitic interactions quadrillionfold, making a teeny weeny shuttlepod's floor pull down the heroes like an entire planet would. The ability to manipulate all matter and antimatter would be greatly affected by this. And drawing the hard limits so that the Trek style of artificial gravity is not allowed would already be disastrous for the Trek style of drama - so worrying about antimatter should never become a hard-limit issue in Star Trek.

Timo Saloniemi
 
However, the ability to manipulate antimatter is something that doesn't come with a "known laws of nature forbid it" label - and thus should be prime material for science fiction extrapolation. It's certainly more plausible than the existence of Vulcans!

We are stuck with gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear influences. Electromagnetism is the only modulation we have that can influence anti-matter.
But Trek has gravity, too. They seem to be able to intensify gravitic interactions quadrillionfold, making a teeny weeny shuttlepod's floor pull down the heroes like an entire planet would. The ability to manipulate all matter and antimatter would be greatly affected by this. And drawing the hard limits so that the Trek style of artificial gravity is not allowed would already be disastrous for the Trek style of drama - so worrying about antimatter should never become a hard-limit issue in Star Trek.

Timo Saloniemi

I don't even begin to know how you modulate gravity without mass and inertia as the side effects, but let's put that aside for now . How do you prevent boson interaction using gravity between matter and anti-matter? Unless you use EM charge the strongest ranged and ONLY repelling influence across an interval of which we know, I don't understand how it can be possible? [photons are the EM boson in the standard model]^1

I'm just asking.

^1 Bear with me its been over ten years since I saw any physics in a school setting.
 
Beats me. But it doesn't beat the late 20th century Earthlings of the Trek universe: they know how to intensify and reverse gravity, which solves containment problems very nicely, not to mention outdating things like centrifuges or welding torches or jet engines. That much is a central Trek given, so bickering about antimatter containment doesn't make much sense in the context.

Once you learn to toy with gravity and inertia like that, it may well be that FTL drives are a simple and natural spinoff. Which does seem to be how things developed in the Trek universe: their gravity manipulation and related arts and crafts are excellent, but other technologies have progressed at a more realistic rate, or have even been retarded since the need for them has decreased.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The Hathaway was unable to obtain antimatter simply because she didn't have antimatter; had she been properly fueled with antimatter, her replicators might quite well have produced antimatter.

Huh? :confused:

That's like that old Steven Wright joke: 'I have powdered water, but I don't know what to add.' :p
 
The Hathaway was unable to obtain antimatter simply because she didn't have antimatter; had she been properly fueled with antimatter, her replicators might quite well have produced antimatter.

Huh? :confused:

That's like that old Steven Wright joke: 'I have powdered water, but I don't know what to add.' :p

I think that Timo was thinking about a Von Neuman machine or a Turing engine. Such a 'replicator' would need a seed pattern to serve as a template. Modern CND still needs a model, a "design template" in order to fabricate.

I know it sounds like gobbledegook, but if you would want to tailor a wool suit, you still need to start out with some sheep!
 
Voyager can build shuttles, you see them build one, then it get destroyed and they build it again. So they build other shuttles too when one breaks they build new one with parts.

Making antimatter no problem on ships. They have antimatter conversion chambers that change duterium into anti duterium. That how they make warp core for Delta Flyer and other shuttles
 
I think that Timo was thinking about a Von Neuman machine or a Turing engine. Such a 'replicator' would need a seed pattern to serve as a template. Modern CND still needs a model, a "design template" in order to fabricate.

Nope, simpler than that. The OP suggested that Geordi's lamenting the lack of antimatter aboard the Hathaway meant that the stuff couldn't be replicated by Hathaway's replicators because replicators cannot do that sort of stuff. But it's much simpler to assume that the ship's replicators couldn't create antimatter for Geordi because they didn't have enough fuel - the ship didn't have enough fuel. And the fuel, of course, is the selfsame antimatter.

Bootstrapping doesn't work. You can't replicate antimatter with 1:1 efficiency or better - you can't use a replicator to solve your fuel problems. But there is nothing in "Peak Performance" or elsewhere to suggest that replicators cannot create antimatter. They simply do it at lower than 1:1 efficiency, just like they do everything.

If you have a hand-cranked generator for creating electricity, and you get tired, you can always hook an electric motor to turn the crank. You never do, though, because that would be silly. But it doesn't mean that generators or motors don't exist.

Timo Saloniemi
 
They didn't seem overly concerned with the loss of shuttles except for "Prototype" when Chakotay said, "I'd hate to lose another shuttle"; a reference to two shuttles destroyed earlier in Season 2. "Extreme Risk" seemingly implied that building new shuttles was a time consuming process, for which they didn't have the resources. At least two shuttles were given away: one to Kes when she left for good, and at least one to refugees escaping the Devore in "Counterpoint."
 
There is a solution for the shuttle and torpedo problem! :)

The solution is The Shuttle And Torpedo Building Team.

The team, which was lead by Lt.Carey and included crewmembers like Chell, Gerron, Dalby, Henley and Rollins. Later on, Vorik, Samantha Wildman and the Borg baby was added to the team.

The crew worked day and night to build new shuttles and torpedoes to replace those who were used and destroyed. They are the true heroes of Voyager! :beer:

As for an attempt to explain certain errors and contradictions, visit this site: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/Voyagermysteries.html

which is a part of my Kes Website.
 
I think that Timo was thinking about a Von Neuman machine or a Turing engine. Such a 'replicator' would need a seed pattern to serve as a template. Modern CND still needs a model, a "design template" in order to fabricate.
Nope, simpler than that. The OP suggested that Geordi's lamenting the lack of antimatter aboard the Hathaway meant that the stuff couldn't be replicated by Hathaway's replicators because replicators cannot do that sort of stuff. But it's much simpler to assume that the ship's replicators couldn't create antimatter for Geordi because they didn't have enough fuel - the ship didn't have enough fuel. And the fuel, of course, is the selfsame antimatter.
I misunderstood, sorry. I speculated that you might have intended that your explanation involved building new anti-matter from the quarks up. Of course with a less than unity efficiency, you need your available anti-matter for the M/AM warping effect your engines supply, and you might not have enough to spare for seeding or powering a replicator system.
Bootstrapping doesn't work. You can't replicate antimatter with 1:1 efficiency or better - you can't use a replicator to solve your fuel problems. But there is nothing in "Peak Performance" or elsewhere to suggest that replicators cannot create antimatter. They simply do it at lower than 1:1 efficiency, just like they do everything.
I've rethought this possibility. As long as you have perfect vacuum containment and a perfect mirror EM field as a reflector, I do not disagree. The justification is the photon torpedo, M/AM warping, and the Romulan singularity engine.
If you have a hand-cranked generator for creating electricity, and you get tired, you can always hook an electric motor to turn the crank. You never do, though, because that would be silly. But it doesn't mean that generators or motors don't exist.
Once again apologies for misunderstanding your point. Next time I'll ask a question, instead of assuming facts not in evidence.

b.
 
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They didn't seem overly concerned with the loss of shuttles except for "Prototype" when Chakotay said, "I'd hate to lose another shuttle"; a reference to two shuttles destroyed earlier in Season 2. "Extreme Risk" seemingly implied that building new shuttles was a time consuming process, for which they didn't have the resources. At least two shuttles were given away: one to Kes when she left for good, and at least one to refugees escaping the Devore in "Counterpoint."

Voyager can rebuild shuttles so there be no reason to be concerned about loosing tem
 
Once again apologies for misunderstanding your point. Next time I'll ask a question, instead of assuming facts not in evidence.

Oh, the shame's mine, for typing such a half-baked post. I just hope the general idea is understandable and acceptable now.

Timo Saloniemi
 
One thing I want to know is the trilithium or whatever issue, as a chemist, I know the metallic lithium is dangerous surely wouldn't the heavier nucleii make it more dangerous?

Also I am moaning about the plasma in the reaction chamber in the warp core, now, in chemistry we use plasma for reading minute concentrations of metals. This is quite often at temperatures of well over a thousand degrees, either it is a very strong material keeping the warp core cool so the engineers can stand beside it, or there is something I am missing. Same goes for plasma in the consoles, that is freaking hot stuff!

There is biological gel packs, plasma all over the place and high electromagnetic field (the holoemitters for the doctors) COSHH would go mental with the hazards there. I was thinking about this the other day.
 
They always seemed to be crashing shuttlecrafts. Other than that I can buy the rest.
 
Picard's ship had the ability to synthesize elements when need be (Data specifically comments that this ability has been lost due to power shortages in "Night Terrors"), so presumably Janeway's ship might have the ability to turn porridge into tritanium, or even raw energy into platinum.

As for "heavy lithium" being more poisonous than the regular metal, I don't think so. It's reactive stuff no matter what its isotope, but that isn't affected much by the addition of neutrons. And it doesn't really sound as if dilithium or trilithium would be isotopes. Lithium has two stable ones, plus a range of radioisotopes that only live a couple of seconds at best. And it wouldn't be customary to use "di" or "tri" to indicate an isotope anyway. More probably, those expressions are shorthand for complex chemicals that feature two or three lithium atoms per molecule, or per unit cell.

Timo Saloniemi
 
But sometimes they can be per unit cell. You have to remember that the show is primarily American and they have different ways of naming compounds than we do here in the UK. I just wondered as i know they use different forms of iodine etc in radio ligand labeling, so I think and possibly to cover my bases that it may infact be the actual nucleii itself or the compound as a whole and if it can be reactive enough to drive the warp core which needs sustained energy, the most logical answer to me would be a radioactive element as it has the ability to give the ship sustained power like it does.
 
I agree with that as well, where they getting the metal from?
Debris.


Neelix explains in "Dark Frontier" that they can put the debris from the destroyed Borg ship into the replicator an reuse it. So even if a shuttle is destroyed, they don't leave that technology floating in space. They beam it back in & put it back into the replicator and re-replicate it to build a new shuttle.
 
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