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Resistance Now In Print

the fact that it got Crusher back out of Starfleet Medical for the second time and back with Picard on the Enterprise.

Nemesis, in spite of its flaws, was about change. Death in Winter negated some of the best changes and substituted fannish changes in the place of actual dramatic changes.
I disagree with you on several levels, not the least of which is a mistake on your part.

Crusher didn't go back to Starfleet Medical in the movie. Watch it again -- that never happens. That only actually happens in the novels.

Also...

If you think Picard and Crusher actually being a couple isn't a major change, then I wonder whether or not you ever watched the show. This is what should've happened after "Attached," frankly, and is a change that -- like Riker and Troi's wedding in the movie -- was long overdue.
 
Has anyone read the book, you know, the one the thread is about? ;) I just picked up Resistance at BAM and am going to give it a whirl.
 
KRAD said:
If you think Picard and Crusher actually being a couple isn't a major change, then I wonder whether or not you ever watched the show. This is what should've happened after "Attached," frankly, and is a change that -- like Riker and Troi's wedding in the movie -- was long overdue.

Well, I, for one, don't think it's a major change, and I can assure you I have seen the show. Relationships begin and end all the time; without dependants or shared responsibilities as an incorporated unit, a coupling exists insofar as two people decide it does, and ends just as easily. This all stems from this belief TV producers seem to have that sexual tension adds some kind of drama to their shows, when in fact it's one of the most boring things in the world to watch because, by definition, most of the time nothing happens. To boil it down: 'ships happen. It's nothing to get excited about.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
captcalhoun said:
martin madden

If only. Better directed and photographed, his could've been an excellent, warmly memorable scene. (And Steven Culp is an excellent actor.) I hope that he's the first officer of the E if The Next Generation ever returns to the the screen.

The seatbelts, on the other hand, were stupid.
 
Please don't throw in spoilers for those of us who have yet to read the book and it is not available for a lot of people yet.

As for DIW, I wasn't a big fan of it either. Actually I have to agree that it reads more like a Stargazer novel then a TNG one. I didn't like the storyline either. The only reason I read it are fore two reasons:

1)I thought it was the relaunch novel(I heard someone say it was right before it came out)

2)I like Mike Friedman's books.

Ah well can't like everything that comes out now can we?
 
Cicero said:
captcalhoun said:
martin madden

If only. Better directed and photographed, his could've been an excellent, warmly memorable scene. (And Steven Culp is an excellent actor.)

Steven Culp is an excellent actor, but that scene would've had to be written completely differently as well as directed better. (And if the quality of the photography looked lacking, that could be simply because it was a rough edit from cut footage, and thus wasn't processed and tweaked and beautified to the extent that the final film was.) It was unfunny, it was embarrassingly out of character for Riker, it was profoundly inappropriate in the wake of Data's death, and it was an unnecessary piece of padding on the end of the film. The only thing about it that worked was the casting of Culp, but he had nothing good to work with, nor did anyone else involved.

The seatbelts, on the other hand, were stupid.

The seatbelts made a great deal of sense, execution notwithstanding. What's stupid is that they never had them before now and only tacked them on here as an afterthought. (Or rather, that the seat-restraint concept from ST:TMP and TWOK was later abandoned. Not to mention that ENT gave Archer's command chair a safety harness in the third or fourth season, so that's twice that Starfleet has abandoned basic common-sense safety for roughly a century.)
 
^ Given how prone starship consoles are to exploding, I'm not sure I'd want to be tied down in my seat. I want to be able to leap away as soon as I see that thing start to spark.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
I wont give out any spoilers, but I just finished the book. I dont think Ive ever read a trek book so fast. I only bought it a few hours ago. Without giving anything away, I feel that it was a little too short, and a little too fastpaced. It has a very interesting twist in it involving picard which i won't mention in detail, for those who dont wished to be spoiled. Looking forward to Q&A and Before Dishonor even more now.
 
Christopher said:
Cicero said:
captcalhoun said:
martin madden

If only. Better directed and photographed, his could've been an excellent, warmly memorable scene. (And Steven Culp is an excellent actor.)

Steven Culp is an excellent actor, but that scene would've had to be written completely differently as well as directed better.

I don't agree. The lines as written could have been delivered warmly and well under better direction. The scene only seems so ill-advised because it is played so poorly. Blocked well, and acted in a different tone, the scene might have been memorable for entirely different reasons.

(And if the quality of the photography looked lacking, that could be simply because it was a rough edit from cut footage, and thus wasn't processed and tweaked and beautified to the extent that the final film was.)

I was referring to the photography, not the printing. :)

The angles of the scene in particular were poorly chosen. Baird's blocking contributed to the photographic problems, but the shots were poorly framed despite this, as well.

It was unfunny, it was embarrassingly out of character for Riker, it was profoundly inappropriate in the wake of Data's death, and it was an unnecessary piece of padding on the end of the film. The only thing about it that worked was the casting of Culp, but he had nothing good to work with, nor did anyone else involved.

I'm fairly sure the scene felt unfunny, cold, and out of character because of its execution, not its paper particulars. As for the pacing, the film needed a good deal of material after Data's death, and I don't think its quite the scene's fault that it doesn't fit in with such a sobering event. (Nevertheless, played low-key and placed rightly, it might have fit after all.) Nemesis could have tremendously benefited from an additional pass over the script and more competent direction throughout.

The seatbelts, on the other hand, were stupid.

The seatbelts made a great deal of sense, execution notwithstanding. What's stupid is that they never had them before now and only tacked them on here as an afterthought. (Or rather, that the seat-restraint concept from ST:TMP and TWOK was later abandoned. Not to mention that ENT gave Archer's command chair a safety harness in the third or fourth season, so that's twice that Starfleet has abandoned basic common-sense safety for roughly a century.)

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Truly, if a starship has inertial dampers which avoid destroying the crew when the ship moves at high impulse, there should be no need for seatbelts when the ship absorbs a hit.
 
Cicero said:
(And if the quality of the photography looked lacking, that could be simply because it was a rough edit from cut footage, and thus wasn't processed and tweaked and beautified to the extent that the final film was.)

I was referring to the photography, not the printing. :)

Which is why I specified a rough edit. Most movie scenes are shot with a good deal of "coverage" -- the same scene shot from multiple different angles and different takes. In the final cut, the best takes and the best angles are put together with care. In a deleted scene on a DVD, the editing might not be quite so careful, and less effective angles and shots might be chosen.

I'm fairly sure the scene felt unfunny, cold, and out of character because of its execution, not its paper particulars.

No, it was the words and actions themselves. At least for me.


Truly, if a starship has inertial dampers which avoid destroying the crew when the ship moves at high impulse, there should be no need for seatbelts when the ship absorbs a hit.

But as we've seen on a weekly basis for over 700 episodes and movies, inertial dampers are not 100 percent effective at absorbing impact, and crewmembers are frequently subjected to forces sufficient to fling them around the ship. Given that observed reality, it's absurd for them not to have safety gear.

Besides, it's just common sense to have backup systems in place rather than relying entirely on a single safety system.
 
Christopher said:
Cicero said:
(And if the quality of the photography looked lacking, that could be simply because it was a rough edit from cut footage, and thus wasn't processed and tweaked and beautified to the extent that the final film was.)

I was referring to the photography, not the printing. :)

Which is why I specified a rough edit. Most movie scenes are shot with a good deal of "coverage" -- the same scene shot from multiple different angles and different takes. In the final cut, the best takes and the best angles are put together with care. In a deleted scene on a DVD, the editing might not be quite so careful, and less effective angles and shots might be chosen.

I'm fairly sure the scene felt unfunny, cold, and out of character because of its execution, not its paper particulars.
That was one thing rhat was pretty cool about the SW prequel DVDs, they actually went back and cleaned up the deleated scenes, and added SFX and everything.
 
Trent Roman said:
^ Given how prone starship consoles are to exploding, I'm not sure I'd want to be tied down in my seat.

*lol* Exactly my thinking! I'd rather break a leg by jumping out of the way than getting my face burnt.
 
Does anyone know if Resistance is being sold at Wal-Mart? I tried to by The Buried Age there, but it wasn't there (or any other Trek books). I hope Wal-Mart is still selling Trek books!!!
 
So, I just want to be clear about something - I shouldn't have to read "Death in Winter" in order to understand "Resistance?" I admit that I haven't been following the TNG novels much in the last few years. I skipped the "A Time To..." series. I've primarily been reading the DS9 Relaunch and I've started to read the Titan series. I'd like to try the TNG Relaunch and I want to make sure I start at the appropriate place.

I've read a couple of reviews for "Death in Winter" and they weren't very positive. Plus, I have a very basic idea of what ends up happening in the end.... so is there any other reason to buy it?
 
Strictly speaking, you never need to read book X in order to "understand" book Y, unless they're parts of a duology or trilogy. It's not like we deliberately write these things to be confusing. Sure, if you skip DiW and pick up Resistance, you'll find that some things have changed and you have some catching up to do. But the necessary backstory will be recapped in Resistance itself, to make catching up easier.
 
Ro_Laren said:
Does anyone know if Resistance is being sold at Wal-Mart? I tried to by The Buried Age there, but it wasn't there (or any other Trek books). I hope Wal-Mart is still selling Trek books!!!
I've been wondering the same thing myself lately. Been buying Trek books from Wal-Mart for awhile, but I haven't seen any in the last few months. I've also only seen Star Wars books once in the same amount of time, and since then I haven't seen any tie ins except copies of Peter David's Fantastic Four books that been there for ages. FYI I did get the SW books I saw the one time they were there.
 
I happen to work at Wal-Mart, but not for much longer :D, and I know the person that stocks the books for the stores in my market. She told me that the WM Home Office in Bentonville has dicide that Sci-Fi is not selling well enough to justify its own section in stores, so they're 'suppose' to be in the general new releases now. I asked her what does that mean for my Star Trek books. She said she didn't know if they would continue to get every month or not. The only thing you can realy do is complain to the WM Home Office.

I picked up "The Buried Age" at B&N, first time i've paid full price in a long time, at least Amazon discounts hardcovers and trades.

ncc71877 yes I'm cheap :evil:
 
Picked up my copy today. This is the first TNG novel I'll have read in ages and I'm really looking forward to diving into it -- once I finish my Deathly Hallows re-read, SNW 10 and Gaiman's Stardust, that is. :D
 
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