Republican Candidates for 2016 Race

[ichab]

So a Clinton is elected because of an eccentric billionaire siphoning votes from Republican side? Seems like old times...

I doubt 19 million people would vote for Donald Trump which is the amount Perot took nationwide.However I do see it playing more like Nader in 2000 who siphoned enough votes in Florida from the Democrats which helped elect Bush.

Doesn't need to be that much. Hillary getting 400 EVs is just her flipping GA, NC, SC, IN, MT, MO, and AZ who all went for Romney by less than 5%. You only need 2 or 3 million Trump voters in those states to throw the election. Romney's margin of victory in those states ran from 98,000 in North Carolina to 270,000 in Indiana.

Excited women (who generally vote Dem anyway), depressed mainstream Republicans (facing the inevitiablty of a GOP defeat) and enough crazies actually voting for Trump would be the perfect storm.

You're assuming that the electorate stays the same as it did when Obama was on the ticket. Doesn't usually work that way. If 1992, 2000 and 2008 are any indication there will be some shifts and changes. Recent polling shows Hillary losing to Jeb, Marco and Scott Walker in key battleground states.

 

[Sector 7]

Nothing matters more than the right of individual Americans to be treated with dignity, respect and to be equal to all other Americans.

Again, this is a key difference among progressives. The New Left cares more about social issues where the Old Left cares more about economic issues.
Of course very often these issues are intertwined like in the case of racism. It is on the one hand just bigotry but on the other hand prisons, debt bondage and prison slave labour are big business. And I think that many progressives have focused far too much on the former than the latter (at least I read far more about bad people saying the N word than about actual socio-economic circumstances in prisons).

Summary: pretty much what I already said, because if ALL people are treated with dignity and respect, there will be less need for those overcrowded prisons and the economy will benefit ALL citizens.

I'm still going with: Sanders 2016!

Bernie Sanders has literally no chance of winning a general election.

I dunno. Aside from the crazy shit that Trump has been saying, Sanders is the one nominee that I've seen get the most exposure lately. The guy is practically taking Facebook by storm!

He's definitely the one that I'm watching with the most interest. It reminds of when Obama first popped up. Bernie Sanders is saying all the right things.

People still use Facebook?

This is the one thing Trump did that is actually funny...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ell-phone-number-and-hes-not-sorry/?tid=sm_fb

Trump, the real estate mogul whose brash campaign has quickly alienated most of his primary opponents and the head of the Republican National Committee, sharpened his attacks on Graham during a campaign appearance Tuesday in the senator's home state of South Carolina, raising the volume on his criticism of his fellow 2016 presidential candidate — and broadcasting Graham's cellphone number, so others could personally do the same.

Not only is this not funny, it is illegal to give out someone's personal cellphone number. If Trump gave out his office number, it would be acceptable... and legal.

So, Trump is threatening a 3rd party run if the GOP doesn't fondle him.

Which would be great because it could give Hillary an east coast sweep with over 400 electoral votes. Hell, if he keeps up his immigrant rantings then Texas could go blue.

So a Clinton is elected because of an eccentric billionaire siphoning votes from Republican side? Seems like old times...

I doubt 19 million people would vote for Donald Trump which is the amount Perot took nationwide.However I do see it playing more like Nader in 2000 who siphoned enough votes in Florida from the Democrats which helped elect Bush.

Jeb Bush discounting perfectly good ballots which voted against his brother is what helped elect Bush.

 

[Timby]

it is illegal to give out someone's personal cellphone number.

Maybe if you live on a planet where crack grows on trees. But not in the United States.

 

[Davros]

I really hate that, for me at least, voting has become a matter of "Okay, who do I hate the least?"

I agree with that. Politics is definitely a world of lesser evils.

It doesn't have to be that way. Vote Cthulhu 2016.

 

[fonzob1]

it is illegal to give out someone's personal cellphone number.

Maybe if you live on a planet where crack grows on trees. But not in the United States.

It would only be illegal under special circumstances, like an employer giving out employee information or a Health Care provider giving out patient information (i.e., HIPAA violation). If the cell phone number was given in confidence, there could be some legal considerations. I doubt that was the case with Donald and Lindsey.

It costs nothing to get a new cell phone number, and you can do it immediately online.

 

[RoJoHen]

it is illegal to give out someone's personal cellphone number.

Maybe if you live on a planet where crack grows on trees. But not in the United States.

Yeah, it's not illegal. It's just kinda douchey.

 

[Squiggy]

I doubt 19 million people would vote for Donald Trump which is the amount Perot took nationwide.However I do see it playing more like Nader in 2000 who siphoned enough votes in Florida from the Democrats which helped elect Bush.

Doesn't need to be that much. Hillary getting 400 EVs is just her flipping GA, NC, SC, IN, MT, MO, and AZ who all went for Romney by less than 5%. You only need 2 or 3 million Trump voters in those states to throw the election. Romney's margin of victory in those states ran from 98,000 in North Carolina to 270,000 in Indiana.

Excited women (who generally vote Dem anyway), depressed mainstream Republicans (facing the inevitiablty of a GOP defeat) and enough crazies actually voting for Trump would be the perfect storm.

You're assuming that the electorate stays the same as it did when Obama was on the ticket. Doesn't usually work that way. If 1992, 2000 and 2008 are any indication there will be some shifts and changes. Recent polling shows Hillary losing to Jeb, Marco and Scott Walker in key battleground states.

True, but a Trump campaign would take more than enough votes away from all of them to give Clinton an easy victory. She could get as many votes as Kerry got in '04 an still cruise on through.

 

[publiusr]

I really don't find that funny at all.

I do. Graham is a public servant. He can take a few phone calls.

We'd still have troops dying in Iraq if it were up to him and his bud McCain. I can see their heads together in a Futurama jar--the sun being in red giant phase--saying: "we can't leave Iraq now...it's too early!"

I never liked that Fighter Jock McCain anyway--one reason why: http://astroguyz.com/2008/10/10/mccain-versus-the-planetarium/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jules-siegel/the-adler-planetarium-and_b_133024.html

Another reason: I remember a Senate hearing where some anti-NASA libertarian blow hard, when asked about China's space program--said that we shouldn't respond to one socialist space program with another one or some other such crap--and McCain said that was a "good point." Ugh!!

As for me, I look forward to the day McCain joins that other anti-NASA idiot Proxmire in the grave. He must have took that SAM rocket personally...

Trump, being the embodiment of Worldly Wiseman, is no religious nut at least. Loved his comment on the cracker.

a Trump campaign would take more than enough votes away from all of them to give Clinton an easy victory. She could get as many votes as Kerry got in '04 an still cruise on through.

I can almost see Hillary going to a podium, and thanking her number one strategist, and Trump walking out--pointing to Republicans--and saying "Gotcha!"

Before becoming her pick for HUD.

It's gonna be huge!

 

[Starkers]

Not quite on topic I know but assuming Hilary does win the democratic nomination, and them presuming she becomes President, do people think she'll go for a second term given her age? (I know age is just a number,and that it didn't stop Reagan but she has already had health issues and obviously it's far from a stress free job.) Basically I'm just wondering what other people think...guess it might just make her choice of running mate interesting, but then again no one expected JFK to die and LBJ to get the job so who knows.

 

[Squiggy]

Women age better than men.

 

[ichab]

Age should never be a problem in the first place. I'll never understand how someone who is bringing an almost full life of experiences to a job can somehow be viewed as a negative.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I'm starting to get concerned Donald Trump can get more traction than we think.

If we think about what he's doing. He's targeting bitter, angry people who have been brainwashed by Fox News into thinking Obama is an evil tyrant who's coming to kill your Grandma. He's doing a lot of what Nixon did in the sixties, he's grouping all of "THOSE deviants who are destroying this country" into a single evil group and playing "Us normal Murcans" against them. That tactic has worked in the past, and now look at the polls.

Though it also looks like that all the other republicans are just splitting each others' votes now so when the field is down to a handful of candidates, Donald Trump will still have his 20% and somebody else will have 40%.

This.

I think Trump is a nutball, but he's appealing directly to all the impulses that hardcore conservatives normally only get in code from Republican candidates. A typical conservative candidate just says illegal immigrants are coming here, taking jobs, and committing crimes. Donald Trump? He straight-up says what the base is thinking: those dirty Mexicans are coming here with their drugs and raping our women!

To quote a friend: Where other Republicans bring dogwhistles, Trump brings a vuvuzela.

People still use Facebook?

Oh, you know, only about 1.2 billion of them.

Not only is this not funny, it is illegal to give out someone's personal cellphone number.

No.

 

[Trekker4747]

People still use Facebook?

Oh, you know, only about 1.2 billion of them.

Wait until they hear about Genisys!

 

[Sector 7]

Sen. Lindsey Graham For. The. WIN!
I am NOT a Republican (registered Independent, though Democrats espouse many of my equality views).

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXSFRMJhlgY[/yt]

it is illegal to give out someone's personal cellphone number.

Maybe if you live on a planet where crack grows on trees. But not in the United States.

Yes, it can be. Also, I find your insulting post unbecoming a Mod/Admin. Please refrain from such phrasing toward me in the future.

Revealing a “name” per se’ may, or may not be considered “Doxing” depending on the level of anticipated anonymity. However, in this law, the term “restricted personal information” means, “with respect to an individual, the Social Security number, the home address, home phone number, mobile phone number, personal email, or home fax number of, and identifiable to, that individual.” This is an important distinction to remember.It is illegal to announce or disseminate or post those listed pieces of information for the purposes listed in the law (18 USC § 119).

If this was Sen. Graham's personal cell phone, it may well be illegal. Other sources are available, as well.

 

[Squiggy]

Sen. Lindsey Graham For. The. WIN!
I am NOT a Republican (registered Independent, though Democrats espouse many of my equality views).

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXSFRMJhlgY[/yt]

it is illegal to give out someone's personal cellphone number.

Maybe if you live on a planet where crack grows on trees. But not in the United States.

Yes, it can be. Also, I find your insulting post unbecoming a Mod/Admin. Please refrain from such phrasing toward me in the future.

 

[fonzob1]

Trump is frightningly popular right now. Imagine if he becomes President and is as blunt and miscalculated with other heads of state as he is being on the campaign right now?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

He won't.

 

[Squiggy]

Trump has a 0% chance of winning.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

If he ever became a real contender, as in he was polling well enough to have a shot at the nomination, GOP leadership would take action. They don't want this clown anywhere near the White House.

 

[Timby]

It's not terribly outside the realm of possibility that Trump gets the nomination. This whole field is a clown car reality show, nothing more (and a clown car has more direction than today's Republican Party). The pragmatic candidate is Jeb Bush, but they're going to face a party-splitting-level revolt if they nominate him and everyone knows it, which opens the door for a troll candidate like Trump.