Reports of explosions at 2013 Boston Marathon

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by JoeZhang, Apr 15, 2013.

  1. Ln X

    Ln X Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jul 1, 2011
    The great gig in the sky
    I have to say these two terrorists are the most stupidest terrorists ever. They lived two miles away from the site of the bombings, they then decided to rob a store five hours after the Boston police announced they were looking for our suspects. Next these Tsarnaev brothers kill a police officer some distance away from the store they robbed, and that was only a mile away from the site of the bombings.

    Next they hijack a car, chuck IEDs at police, then crash the car in Watertown. How the younger brother escaped from the clutches of the police at that point is a mystery to me, everyone nearby in the houses would have woken up to the sound of gunfire, and God knows how many cops were there surrounding that crashed car as these suspects made their last stand. How Dzhokhar Tsarnaev wriggled out of that one I don't know.

    Finally nearly twenty hours later and with most of Watertown locked down for most of that time, in a state of martial law with the army searching residences without any regard to search warrants, Dzhokhar is found hiding in someone's boat in a back garden less than a kilometre away from the shoot-out with the cops. The police and army messed up big time here, and Dzhokhar was found by the resident who owned that boat, after the resident left his property to check on his boat when the stay-indoors order was lifted.

    The resident calls the police and Dzhokhar is at last caught, and the resident only noticed anything suspicious because there were bloodstains on the path leading to this boat. Which warrants the question, if the police and army had searched this house and presumably the back garden, why didn't they notice the bloodstains?

    There's a timeline (in the link below) compiled by the BBC of the manhunt for the Tsarnaev brothers.
  2. Hound of UIster

    Hound of UIster Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 26, 2002
    At least the cops didn't shoot any innocent bystanders or burn them alive like what happened with Dorner. Much better performance imo by the police.
  3. gturner

    gturner Admiral

    Nov 9, 2005
    I've heard (and can't confirm) that suspect #1 was spread eagle on the ground with a bunch of police aiming guns at him when suspect #2 sped toward the cops in the stolen SUV, running over suspect #1 and scattering the cops. If true we should call them "speed bump" (suspect #1) and "white hat" (suspect #2), and also add "hit and run" and maybe "vehicular manslaughter" to the list of charges. Suspect #2 probably ran over his own Marines in Halo all the time.
  4. Whoa Nellie

    Whoa Nellie Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 13, 2005
    I just watched video of an epic interview with Watertown police chief Edward Deveau by Wolf Blitzer.

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Chief Deveau said his officers were cuffing Terrorist # 1 when Terrorist #2 came barreling down on them with the car and the police managed to jump out of the way and he just drove over his brother killing him.

    Listening to this interview it is clear both Terrorist #1 and #2 were cold blooded bastards! Scary.

    Whoa Nellie
  5. Hound of UIster

    Hound of UIster Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 26, 2002
    Yes suspect #2 ran over his own bro.
  6. PsychoPere

    PsychoPere Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 25, 2002
    A minor correction here: In a press conference yesterday between 6 and 6:30pm EST, the State Police said that the robbery in question was not performed by the brothers. It coincidentally occurred at roughly the same time they were at the store.
  7. Mr. Adventure

    Mr. Adventure Admiral Admiral

    Jun 9, 2001
    Mr. Adventure
    They didn't search his house, it was just outside of their search area. IMHO at least, they had to set a limit somewhere and they were close.
  8. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored KNEEL BEFORE RODD! Moderator

    Jul 5, 2004
    Incinerating You With Gene's Vision
    No, they're above average as far as terrorists go by virtue of the fact that their bombing plot actually succeeded where so many others fail. Albeit their plot was fairly modest in scope compared to state sponsored or more organized terrorist groups like al Qaeda.

    If terrorists were mostly geniuses, they'd probably find another line of work. The leaders, planners, and facilitators are usually smart guys, but the foot soldiers and cannon fodder --the guys taking the most risk-- are usually insular, ignorant, and easily suggestible. Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule, and fanatical ideology can sometimes convince even smart people to do stupid things, but for the most part that's true.

    The shoe bomber failed because he had sweaty feet that dampened the fuse after he had to wear his shoes a day longer than expected. The underwear bomber got jumped and hit with fire extinguishers when he set his pants on fire (which was the actual plan). The Times Square Bomber double parked at a weird angle, left the hazard lights on in his unoccupied car, and it started smoking. These aren't the best and the brightest. But even so, in the case of the first two at least, their schemes would have been successful in severely damaging or destroying their planes if not for dumb luck and dumb terrorists. It's not like it always takes a complex plot to be a successful bomber.

    In the case of these two, they were fairly well educated (the younger brother more so). But intelligent or not, there's only so long you can hide when a sizable chunk of the nation's law enforcement resources are working 24/7 to catch you.

    A more apt description of these guys would be what their rather amusing uncle called them originally: losers. They escaped a war-torn oppressive region and came to a country where they had plenty of opportunities to succeed and in the case of the previously outgoing and well-respected and well-liked younger brother, were actually doing that right up until they decided to squander it all and throw not only their own lives away but the lives of several innocents. They're not lacking in intelligence, though their actions certainly were at times. Fanaticism and antisocial behavior (especially in the older brother) will do that to you.

    They didn't rob the 7/11. That was just a very unfortunately timed and located coincidence that caused confusion.

    How about it was the middle of the night and very dark, it was an extremely tense and confusing situation, the older brother provided a distraction by going after police with the IEDs and gunfire on foot, and there was smoke everywhere from the grenades, IEDs, and gunfire. The visibility was so bad that the younger brother ran over the older brother while trying to run over the police, and he bought himself some time to escape when they scattered from the path of the car. He put some distance between them, then ditched the car and went to find a place to hide. It's not rocket science.

    Even on 24 where you seem to be getting your conspiracy theories from, did they ever actually set up an airtight perimeter no matter how many times they assured the CTU head or president of the week that they had? Even in fictional terrorism land it's hard to do.

    You're talking out of your ass here. Besides the fact that it was law enforcement doing the searching and not "the army" (the National Guard mostly established perimeters and provided air support like the Blackhawk helicopters; they had no arrest authority) they didn't need search warrants because of the emergency exception to the warrant requirement, and because, as far as I'm aware, everyone whose home was searched in the Watertown area gave them consent to search due to the gravity of the situation (not that they would have needed it on account of the emergency situation, but still).

    They didn't mess anything up, they had a boatload (pardon the pun) of crowded and occupied territory in the middle of a major city to search. House to house searching and urban combat are the most dangerous and time intensive kind.

    Because the guys from Psych, The Mentalist, and Criminal Minds who notice miniscule things with one glance and record it with their photographic memories aren't real, and besides, they hadn't searched that house.

    The police had hundreds of occupied homes to search over dozens of square miles during the middle of a crisis. You make it sound as if it was as simple as finding Waldo or doing a word search. Just because you can't conceive of these things with your less than even a layman's understanding of them doesn't make them suddenly become a conspiracy.

    Don't be like one of those "loose change" doofuses. Skepticism and questioning the status quo is okay, but what you're doing is actually the opposite of skepticism, despite how conspiracy theorists like to portray themselves.
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  9. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored KNEEL BEFORE RODD! Moderator

    Jul 5, 2004
    Incinerating You With Gene's Vision
    I usually hate these things, but you deserve it: :rolleyes:

    I'd ask you to do us all a favor and think before posting again, but you actually did get a chance to think this time and decided to double-down on the stupid, so I'll just ask you to please shut up instead.

    Talking to Wolf Blitzer (who really should be the terrorist with that Die Hard villain name) he said he'd be fine with writing an article (and as Tora Ziyal posted he already did), but that he wouldn't write a novelization because he's too close to it and "it's not really his style" (his words).
  10. bigdaddy

    bigdaddy Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 19, 2007
    Space Massachusetts
    Nice that the mods here can act like assholes. Do you get a trolling warning for that?^

    The cops missed. The lock down didn't work, he was hiding in the boat outside the lockdown area. Once the martial law was lifted and people went out is when someone saw the blood and called.

    I like this article on some weird site...

    What if they didn't find him? They just lifted the "lockdown" and pretty much went "We didn't get him, whatever, go out enjoy the day, don't mind the fact it's not any safer". There was never a plan when locking everyone down. What if he was found in Hartford the next day, would you lockdown every city until you find ONE person?
  11. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored KNEEL BEFORE RODD! Moderator

    Jul 5, 2004
    Incinerating You With Gene's Vision
    No, because what I said was directed at the content of your post rather than at you personally, and was in direct reaction to something you said rather than out of the blue and unprovoked.
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  12. Gary7

    Gary7 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    "Lock down didn't work". Really? Think again.

    NOBODY ELSE DIED. Suspect apprehended. It certainly did some good. The lock down kept the suspect "locked down" where he was, even if just outside the "official perimeter"... he couldn't go anywhere far and with all the bleeding was getting weaker by the hour, hiding out until he couldn't stay hidden longer. He probably would have died in the boat if he hadn't been tracked down, he was so out of it.

    So what if a civilian found traces of blood that led to the suspect? The police asked citizens to be vigilant and keep an eye out. They did. They helped.

    Yeah, it's easy to sit back in your comfy chair and cite how this was an unreasonable form of marital law, but had they not done this and the suspect managed to kill more people... what then? So people were inconvenienced. Most people would agree that being safe is far worth the trade-off of inconvenience.

    Sheesh... get with it.
  13. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    All this is just silly. You're always going to have the knee-jerk anti-law enforcement types trying to sound cool. In Massachusetts, we are merciless to our cops and officials when they screw up, but we give them props when they do things right. This was an unprecedented situation and all the agencies did a beautiful job and so did the civilians. I'm sure somebody somewhere is kicking his or herself for not extending the perimeter another block, but hindsight is always 20/20.

    That's fantastic. :rommie:

    That is pretty scary.

    I didn't even know he had been interviewed. I'll have to check YouTube. I can certainly understand how he would feel too close to it, but it's interesting that he doesn't consider it his style.
  14. jespah

    jespah Commodore Moderator

    Jun 21, 2011
    Boston, the Gateway to the Galaxy
  15. Captain Ice

    Captain Ice Cookie Constructor Admiral

    Dec 30, 2002
    Getting Captain Ice on to the naughty list
    This isn't TNZ. Knock it off.
  16. not

    not Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 6, 2013
    OK, what is The Neutral Zone? I can see how to get to it but what it's purpose and do I remain cloaked there?
  17. publiusr

    publiusr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Mar 22, 2010
    I wonder if the writings of Alisa Ganieva might give some clue as to motive. From the wiki:

    "She moved with her family to Dagestan and attended school in Makhachkala...Her debut novel "Salaam, Dalgat!" describes the everyday life of Dagestani youth in the cities and shows the decay of traditional life...

    Here was a statement from the Head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov--made on Instagram before the younger brother was caught:

    "Tragic events happened in Boston. As a result of a
    terrorist attack, people were killed. We already expressed our
    condolences to the residents of the city and to the people of America.
    Today, as the media report, a certain Tsarnaev was killed during a
    detention attempt. It would be logical if he was detained and an
    investigation was conducted, all the circumstances and degree of his
    guilt explained. Apparently, the special forces needed a result at any
    price to calm society."

    I can't help but wonder if they were radicalized by this group:

    Nice to see law enforcement being cheered for once. The parade of vehicles--that was the end of the marathon--I consider that day Patriots Day--and we are all Bostonians now.
  18. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

    May 10, 2005
    The visitor's bullpen
    "Unfortunately, nobody can be told what The Neutral Zone have to see it for yourself." - Mod-pheus
  19. not

    not Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 6, 2013

    I always prefer a purple pill
  20. Tora Ziyal

    Tora Ziyal Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Feb 27, 2010
    Very well said, Locutus. I'm getting tired of all the anti-law enforcement Monday morning quarterbacks (not just here).