Report: Discovery moving to Netflix

[Lord Garth]

yeah it was a mediocre TNG episode at best. Maybe a 5

Okay, you made me think about this and I'm revising my rating.

I think I caught a quadruple-case of sentimentality while watching "These Are the Voyages".

• First, Riker and Troi hanging out, which I like regardless of the story.
• Second, I liked the three-way montage of the Enterprises at the end while they say "Space, the final frontier... "
• Third, after binging the show for a week at the beginning of Quarantine, I felt like I was going to miss them a little. Like I was saying goodbye to guests. Especially Shran.
• And then, fourth, as a Trekkie, I like seeing the founding of the Federation, even if it's just a snippet. And because we don't know the specifics of what led up to it, I can fill in the blanks with any headcanon I want, if I feel so inclined.

So those are my legitimate points for batting for it. But those things alone don't necessarily make it a solid episode. Just things I took away from it. So, because of that, I can't give it a 5, since a 5 is something that does nothing for me good or bad. So, I'll revise my rating to a 6.

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Yeah, I'm grossly off-topic, but whatever. Back on topic...

Disco's not moving to Netlix in the US. Unless it's the first season. And that makes no sense as it takes away the incentive to get CBS All Access. The average person will think "Why get CBS All Access when I can just wait a few years? And then I'll be able to watch it whenever I want! If I'm patient." And if they haven't watched Discovery or Picard yet, then clearly they are patient and don't see it as a very high priority on their entertainment list.

 

[KennyB]

Wow---after the first 2 pages this thread completely changed topics.

 

[Gordie]

Unfortunaltely, you’re in the minority. Ent had about 12-5 to 13 million people show up for the pilot. By the end of season 2 that audience had shrunk by about 2/3. Season 3 started with an audience of a little over 2 million.

Oh yes I am aware I am in the minority. Wouldn't call it unfortunate though.

Hello, X~Files, Agents of Shield, NuBSG, The Expanse, Fringe, etc.

And? I am not sure what you mean by this post. The X-Files is a perfect example of a successful episodic show.

 

[Gordie]

Not that it's definitive, but here are the rankings out of 10 at IMDb.

TOS: 8.3
TNG: 8.6
DS9: 8
VOY: 7.8
ENT: 7.5
DSC: 7.3
PIC: 7.5

Discovery is the lowest rated out of them all including Enterprise. And I have a feeling that Picard may slip a point or two. We will have to wait and see.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Not that it's definitive, but here are the rankings out of 10 at IMDb.

TOS: 8.3
TNG: 8.6
DS9: 8
VOY: 7.8
ENT: 7.5
DSC: 7.3
PIC: 7.5

Discovery is the lowest rated out of them all including Enterprise. And I have a feeling that Picard may slip a point or two. We will have to wait and see.

Uh, how did DS9 get so high?

Spoiler

Because people started watching it after the voices of the haters died down.

 

[Gordie]

Uh, how did DS9 get so high?

Spoiler

Because people started watching it after the voices of the haters died down.

Haters tend to be loud and vocal. They seem more numerous then they are I think.

It's on a star base not a star ship, it's not Star Trek!

That one always made me laugh.

 

[ITDUDE]

While TATV certainly isn't a good episode, it's also not the complete and utter disaster many try to paint it as either

Yes it is

Wow---after the first 2 pages this thread completely changed topics.

You’re welcome

 

[Tomalak]

Not that it's definitive, but here are the rankings out of 10 at IMDb.

TOS: 8.3
TNG: 8.6
DS9: 8
VOY: 7.8
ENT: 7.5
DSC: 7.3
PIC: 7.5

Discovery is the lowest rated out of them all including Enterprise. And I have a feeling that Picard may slip a point or two. We will have to wait and see.

The bottom line this they are all pretty similar ratings - what it tells us is that Star Trek fans like watching Star Trek, but they like the oldest series a little bit more than the newest series.

In short, it tells us nothing that isn't blindingly obvious.

 

[Campe]

So, back to the main topic: CBSAA is rebranding in the new year as Paramount+. There is no way that ViacomCBS is going to pull any of the shows from their flagship franchise from their streaming service. That idea is just asinine. One of the selling points for CBSAA/Paramount+ is that it is the streaming home for ALL Star Trek. I imagine once the contracts on Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu and the other streaming services for the older Trek series start to expire, they will not renew them. Star Trek, in all its forms, will be exclusively streaming on Paramount+. This is the new face of entertainment, folks.

 

[Gordie]

The bottom line this they are all pretty similar ratings - what it tells us is that Star Trek fans like watching Star Trek, but they like the oldest series a little bit more than the newest series.

In short, it tells us nothing that isn't blindingly obvious.

I do not agree with your assessment of the ratings.

 

[fireproof78]

Not that it's definitive, but here are the rankings out of 10 at IMDb.

TOS: 8.3
TNG: 8.6
DS9: 8
VOY: 7.8
ENT: 7.5
DSC: 7.3
PIC: 7.5

Discovery is the lowest rated out of them all including Enterprise. And I have a feeling that Picard may slip a point or two. We will have to wait and see.

So? Those numbers are difficult to parse given the earlier shows all had more content and have been receiving ratings longer. DS9 has also improved since airing, becoming a favorite despite marked differences from its parent show.

 

[Tomalak]

I do not agree with your assessment of the ratings.

That's fine.

I just don't see the quantitative value in Voyager being 0.3 IMDBs more popular than Picard for example.

The overall trend aligns to what we all know is true - TOS and TNG are the most popular Trek series, and the rest are a little less popular among fans, and much less popular in the wider public.

 

[eschaton]

Ratings of 10/1 for each series

TOS: 30.6%/2.3%
TNG: 35.5%/1.5%
DS9: 25.8%/2.1%
VOY: 22.5%/1.8%
ENT: 18.8%/2.1%
DIS: 21.6%/8.6%
PIC: 25.4%/5.5%

The highest percentage of people rate each series a 10, other than VOY, ENT, and DIS, where the highest number rate the series as 8.

I think it's pretty clear that Kurtzman Trek's averages are downgraded because of troll ratings on IMDB. Obviously some people are not going to love either series, but if you rate it a 1 on a public ratings aggregator, you are attempting to bring down the rating average. There's only like a handful of Trek episodes I even think warrant a 1.

 

[Gordie]

So? Those numbers are difficult to parse given the earlier shows all had more content and have been receiving ratings longer. DS9 has also improved since airing, becoming a favorite despite marked differences from its parent show.

It is more evidence to back up what I have said. Episodic sci-fi works better then what they are doing now with most sci-fi shows. Exception being The Mandalorian. Very happy they went episodic.

I am certain that we can easily list more successful episodic sci-fi as opposed to serials. Not saying that serials can't work, The Expanse as someone mentioned is good. BSG was good for the first couple seasons, but didn't last.

These ratings just help back up my point. Doesn't prove anything, it's just more data.

 

[Gordie]

Ratings of 10/1 for each series

TOS: 30.6%/2.3%
TNG: 35.5%/1.5%
DS9: 25.8%/2.1%
VOY: 22.5%/1.8%
ENT: 18.8%/2.1%
DIS: 21.6%/8.6%
PIC: 25.4%/5.5%

The highest percentage of people rate each series a 10, other than VOY, ENT, and DIS, where the highest number rate the series as 8.

I think it's pretty clear that Kurtzman Trek's averages are downgraded because of troll ratings on IMDB. Obviously some people are not going to love either series, but if you rate it a 1 on a public ratings aggregator, you are attempting to bring down the rating average. There's only like a handful of Trek episodes I even think warrant a 1.

Well you can make claims like that about the ratings of any show.

 

[Tomalak]

Because I've nothing better to do, here are some other drama series with the equivalent IMDB ratings.

TOS/Homeland: 8.3
TNG/Mad Men: 8.6
DS9/American Horror Story: 8
VOY/NCIS: 7.8
ENT/Smallville: 7.5
DSC/Ratched: 7.3
PIC/Heroes: 7.5

What does this tell us? Probably nothing. Star Trek series are always going to have a very specific type of criticism applied to them due to the devoted fanbase.

Perhaps there's a Ryan Murphy BBS where the fans debate the relative decline in popularity of Ratched compared with American Horror Story.

There are a lot of shows which are much more popular than any Star Trek series. Interestingly, many are heavily serialised rather than episodic (Breaking Bad, The Wire, Game of Thrones).

Correlation does not equal causation.

 

[fireproof78]

Correlation does not equal causation.

Indeed. And, even more difficult is context. Where did the shows air and when? What was going on culturally? Context is critical.

 

[Tim Thomason]

So, back to the main topic: CBSAA is rebranding in the new year as Paramount+. There is no way that ViacomCBS is going to pull any of the shows from their flagship franchise from their streaming service. That idea is just asinine. One of the selling points for CBSAA/Paramount+ is that it is the streaming home for ALL Star Trek. I imagine once the contracts on Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu and the other streaming services for the older Trek series start to expire, they will not renew them. Star Trek, in all its forms, will be exclusively streaming on Paramount+. This is the new face of entertainment, folks.

Maybe. But I think they might keep some of the classic shows on Netflix if only to entice viewers to watch the complete package on P+.

 

[Tomalak]

Indeed. And, even more difficult is context. Where did the shows air and when? What was going on culturally? Context is critical.

Context is King.

 

[Campe]

Maybe. But I think they might keep some of the classic shows on Netflix if only to entice viewers to watch the complete package on P+.

I think it would be more enticing to remove everything at the end of the contract, myself. I just got an email yesterday that The Office will be exclusive to Peacock on 1/1. That's a big deal. With everybody and their mom getting into the streaming business, this is going to be something that's bound to happen more and more.