BOBW Part 2
Remove one episode from Trek canon.
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Wow...so many possibilities!
There are some episodes that I really, really hate (Threshold for example...or Profit and Lace...or Genesis..or Spock's Brain) but that in the end, were fairly harmless. They might have had really dumb plots, or really bad science...but in the end, were not really harmful to the overall Trek canon. They were disasters...but their effects were only felt within the episode itself. Episodes like Threshold were stupid...but they didn't ruin a major character in an irredeemable way.
In my mind, there are only two episodes that really, truly harmed Trek canon, and for that reason I'll go with:
Runner-up: These are the Voyages....
I dislike this episode mainly because Frakes and Sirtus turned it into a TNG-All-About-Me extravaganza, and stole the finale right out from under the feet of the ENT cast, who deserved a better sendoff. Plus, it monkeyed with the events of TNG in order to do it, and that pissed me off.
But the canon thing that really annoyed me was Trip's death.
Many people complain about Jadzia''s death in the DS9 forum, but I can live with that because in war, not everyone dies a big meaningful heroic death with flags waving and good coming out of it. War is hell, and so Jadzia's death didn't bother me.
Trip's death, however, did. Mainly because he had been in similar situations tons of times and didn't just let it happen like he did here.
Terrible death....and Trip deserved much better.
But, in the final analysis, even TATV isn't as bad as....
The Grand Prize Winner: Endgame
I pick Endgame because it destroyed one of the captains...turning Janeway into a cynical old maid who was willing to break the Temporal Prime Directive and possible change the timeline for millions of people, simply so that a couple of her friends could possibly (although not even this was certain) be 'happy'.
I was utterly shocked when I watched this episode, because I really loved Janeway and couldn't believe that after sticking to her principles for 7 years in the DQ, she would, in the very last episode, throw it all away for something so stupid.
Bleh!
I'm glad they got home...but I really could have done without the whole Janeway Blowing off the TPD Thing.
There are some episodes that I really, really hate (Threshold for example...or Profit and Lace...or Genesis..or Spock's Brain) but that in the end, were fairly harmless. They might have had really dumb plots, or really bad science...but in the end, were not really harmful to the overall Trek canon. They were disasters...but their effects were only felt within the episode itself. Episodes like Threshold were stupid...but they didn't ruin a major character in an irredeemable way.
In my mind, there are only two episodes that really, truly harmed Trek canon, and for that reason I'll go with:
Runner-up: These are the Voyages....
I dislike this episode mainly because Frakes and Sirtus turned it into a TNG-All-About-Me extravaganza, and stole the finale right out from under the feet of the ENT cast, who deserved a better sendoff. Plus, it monkeyed with the events of TNG in order to do it, and that pissed me off.
But the canon thing that really annoyed me was Trip's death.
Many people complain about Jadzia''s death in the DS9 forum, but I can live with that because in war, not everyone dies a big meaningful heroic death with flags waving and good coming out of it. War is hell, and so Jadzia's death didn't bother me.
Trip's death, however, did. Mainly because he had been in similar situations tons of times and didn't just let it happen like he did here.
Terrible death....and Trip deserved much better.
But, in the final analysis, even TATV isn't as bad as....
The Grand Prize Winner: Endgame
I pick Endgame because it destroyed one of the captains...turning Janeway into a cynical old maid who was willing to break the Temporal Prime Directive and possible change the timeline for millions of people, simply so that a couple of her friends could possibly (although not even this was certain) be 'happy'.
I was utterly shocked when I watched this episode, because I really loved Janeway and couldn't believe that after sticking to her principles for 7 years in the DQ, she would, in the very last episode, throw it all away for something so stupid.
Bleh!
I'm glad they got home...but I really could have done without the whole Janeway Blowing off the TPD Thing.
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TATV. Though very nearly there, it is not actually my least favorite episode of all time (that honor, I believe, rests with "Precious Cargo"), but TATV was so damaging to the otherwise pretty-okay legacy of Enterprise as a whole that it really, really needs to die. I'd erase it from the collective memory of the planet and violate the TPD to do it.
None because I can't get as vexed as some fans seem to over a poor or mediocre episode on a fictional tv series.
And a lot of the episodes that people seem to hate I actually like. I don't care about bad science or Fun with DNA. And even the episodes I don't care for(Let He Without Sin, The Fight, Precious Cargo etc) I wouldn't want to remove I simply don't rewatch them.
And while I don't think TATV is great I think the outrage over it to be overboard. It had some good ideas poorly executed and I don't quite understand saying it ruined ENT or people's enjoyment of the series. I don't know about anyone else but Ive enjoyed quite a few shows that had poor final seasons and series finales that disappointed me but I still enjoyed the good years the shows had.
And a lot of the episodes that people seem to hate I actually like. I don't care about bad science or Fun with DNA. And even the episodes I don't care for(Let He Without Sin, The Fight, Precious Cargo etc) I wouldn't want to remove I simply don't rewatch them.
And while I don't think TATV is great I think the outrage over it to be overboard. It had some good ideas poorly executed and I don't quite understand saying it ruined ENT or people's enjoyment of the series. I don't know about anyone else but Ive enjoyed quite a few shows that had poor final seasons and series finales that disappointed me but I still enjoyed the good years the shows had.
Amen! Horrible! The kid Picard sounds like freakin' Tiny Tim in a community theatre production of "A Christmas Carol." Barf-inducing! -- RR
I wouldn't even have to think about it and choose "These Are The Voyages", mainly because it just killed every interesting plot opportunity for the ENT crew and made it look like there wasn't any development on the ship for the last 6 years. And it also featured the second most unneccesary death in Trek (the number one spot goes to Data's death), which was terribly executed, as well. Then, it also managed to damage the character of Riker, retroactively (there's a seriuos crisis going on and he goes playing on the holodeck? 
).
PKTrekGirl makes some good points about "Endgame" but I stopped caring for Voyager in the fifth season while I hold TNG and ENT very dear.
).PKTrekGirl makes some good points about "Endgame" but I stopped caring for Voyager in the fifth season while I hold TNG and ENT very dear.
Heh heh... Removing "Rascals" would also nullify the facts that:
- The Federation Flag Ship was defeated by a couple of old Birds of Prey;
- Riker is a lousy tactician who does not utilise the full weapons arsenal of a Galaxy Class starship to prevent the ship from falling into enemy hands;
- Proud warrior Worf is pwned on the bridge of his own ship by a couple of Ferengi;
- All personell aboard the Federation Flag Ship partially owe their lives to little Alexander Rozhenko and his funny toys.
TOS - The Way to Eden- Never really liked hippies... at least "Spock's Brain" had the classic line "Brain and brain... what is brain?"
TNG - Force of Nature- Yeah, let's give starships a speed limit in some forced environmentalist allegory that fails miserably.
DS9 - Oh, I don't know... Maybe Move Along Home. Allamaraine.
VOY - Threshold. I thought it was funny when they destroyed the shuttle that was used in this episode, and someone thought thatit was a way to eliminate the episode entirely.
ENT - I've forgotten the title, but the one where they give the Klingons holodeck technology. Just seemed like a bad idea. Although Trip being pregnant was funny.
TNG - Force of Nature- Yeah, let's give starships a speed limit in some forced environmentalist allegory that fails miserably.
DS9 - Oh, I don't know... Maybe Move Along Home. Allamaraine.
VOY - Threshold. I thought it was funny when they destroyed the shuttle that was used in this episode, and someone thought thatit was a way to eliminate the episode entirely.
ENT - I've forgotten the title, but the one where they give the Klingons holodeck technology. Just seemed like a bad idea. Although Trip being pregnant was funny.
For worst, nothing can compete with Profit and Lace. Nothing. NOTHING!
The winner here is either The Game, in which the character of every member of the Enterprise crew (except Data) is brutally assassinated. So, Picard is actually a flunky who puts on a mental device without question and gets hooked on the high, needing Wesley Crusher to come to his rescue. Infuriating episode. Or, In the Pale Moonlight where Sisko is at the receiving end of horrific character assassination. So when it comes down to it, he sacrifices his humanity and becomes a condoner of the murder of innocents. Great. And this is the Bajoran spiritual leader?
I got nothing here.
Too many of these, too.
Same here. The dark spots make the bright ones shine even brighter. Maybe...
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Tatv for shoehorning a next Generation episode into what should have been Enterprise's finale and the totally stupid idiotic way they decided to Kill off Trip and that the other characters were regulated to a holodeck scenario really was a crummy way to end a series.
There are many contenders - "And the Children Shall Lead", "Sub Rosa", "Genesis", any number of DS9 episodes, Nemesis and TFF for starters. Today I'll go for the piece of garbage known as "Fair Haven". If it didn't exist, neither would the almost as execrable "Spirit Folk" and that would, IMO, be a Very Good Thing all round. Second place I'll award to "Turnabout Intruder" - it may not have been a finale in the sense that "All Good Things..." etc. were, but it was still an utterly appalling way for TOS to end.
The Cage.
[just kidding]
[just kidding]
I have no desire to make an episode never exist, but, if a guy can alter reality, it would be nice if he made it so I never wasted my time watching Precious Cargo.
As much as I do hate And the Children Shall Lead (from TOS); the episode I would remove and delete/degauss/burn from Star Trek canon/continuity would have to be ENT's These Are The Voyages.
Too bad Generations commited an even worse offense with only a single Bird of Prey.
My choice would be Homeward. IE, the episode with Picard ranting that the aliens-du-jour were better off becoming extinct than risking them being culturally contaminated.
x infinity.
And I'm appaled by the fact that for you a dead thing obviously is as important as a living being. Sure, we all like Star Trek but comparing your feelings toward the episodes to feelings about your own children is kind of creepy IMHO.
Try looking up the word "allegory" in a dictionary sometime.
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