Remember Me is an excellent ep

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  1. Handsomeyoungensign

    Handsomeyoungensign Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    After googling Michelle Forbes and her more recent pix. I want more Ro Laren. Damn those Maquis! I'd put her in a Maxim list right beside Olivia Wilde incredible...!!!

     
  2. Cutie McWhiskers

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    Why they fired Ron Jones, UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loved his style...

    It is indeed a great episode, "Remember Me". Nice use of mystery and suspense, coupled with action, where the main character's reality is distorted and reduced and bemused as a result. It winds up the viewer and, if said viewer is invested with suspense of disbelief in place/situation and setup are properly done, there is an amazing 43 minute thrill ride to be had. Time to pop in the blu-ray...

    Seeing the void (a gray fuzzy nothing) and how it shrinks really adds to a sense of palpable eeriness; one can feel Bev's own sense of "Holy ship, if I don't get out of here fast I become nothingness!"

    Which makes the ending even better as she survives and gets to tell the ordeal, and in ways other than just "And you were there! And you were there! And you too Auntie Em!"

    There's not much of a plot, but that's not really the point. How it's handled counts more and, like Doctor Who's "Four to Doomsday", it's nuances other than the core plot that count because the plot is thinner than the grocery store receipt paper, and in both stories the nuances are extremely novel, "what happens next", and that's what keeps the stories going. Left to mere plot alone, both would fail due to being way too simplistic.

    8/10, one of season 4's better stories and is one of TNG's more robustly creative tales in general. (Surprised Brannon Braga wasn't involved, some of his stuff is THE most creative...)


    But another way to summarize the story's plot might be (with apologies in advance):
    Wesley screws up and puts his mommy inside a warp bubble that's about to go pop, that she can't stop. Like eating potato chips or adopting cats. Bev sees the ship and crew as part of some metaphysical thing, which starts to go hazy since her body is stuck in a void that's slowly collapsing. The Traveler reappears out of nowhere for no reason (is there a galactic payphone Wesley quietly used off-screen? Excellent!), saves her, then offers an insurance policy afterward saying she's always in good hands. The story is written extremely well, shrouding a direct correlation between Wesley's warp experiment gone awry and Bev's hallucinations since that doesn't stand up to much scrutiny since how is Bev surviving in the void what's her body doing if it's her mind creating everything she sees (it's not Q though that little fan canon (fanon?) nimbly takes care of any plot hole or nitpick)...
     
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  4. Cutie McWhiskers

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    I re-watched the episode. Still adore it! But if the ship was losing 15m per second, the ship is 705m long, and they say 4 minutes is left... that's horrendously wrong for a show of TNG's caliber, for a surfeit of increasingly fun reasons:

    1. The CGI showing the bubble collapsing, in original edit and TNG-R, shows the sphere about to wipe out the bridge and Beverly is still up there retracing her steps as opposed to seeing the graphic and moving to the center of the ship until several minutes later. The animation was too fast compared to the times given.
    2. They're forgetting diameter - at 705M divided by 15M/s, that has to be divided by 2 since the collapse is going not from the convenient far edge, but inward to the center from completely outside - as CGI from both the original and TNG-R both show identically.
    3. Best of all: Nobody needs to be Adric to know that 15M/s means 900M/m. Bev didn't have neither four minutes nor two minutes. Not even 30 seconds, which - like what we've all been screaming - Peg always accused Al as being too fast.

    The Traveler and continuity with season 1 is definitely preferable to "Q magic".
     
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    Well, she did discover what the problem was on her own, but she still had to depend on the rescue attempt by Wesley and the Traveler to create that opening she could jump through. I wonder what would have happened to Bev if she hadn't been able to get out in time . Would she simply have 'disappeared' forever?
     
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  6. Sakonna

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    I love this episode! My favorite Beverly show. Terrified me as a kid.

    I do think it loses steam in the Wesley/Traveler scenes, it would have been even better if they just stuck with Bev the whole time.
     
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  7. Greysun

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    Bev was forced to depend on Wes and the Traveler because of the disappearing options in her shrinking pocket universe. She had made the correct deduction, she had tried to set a course for the Traveler's homeworld, but it no longer existed in her universe. As a result, the mechanism of her escape had to come from the prime universe. I suppose Bev would have been killed if her pocket universe had collapsed on her, fortunately we didn't have to find out.
     
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  8. SPCTRE

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    I liked the episode, conceptually it's a fun mystery setup and Beverly gets to do stuff.
     
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    There's no guarantee that even if she could have reached "Tau Alpha C", what she found there would have had anything to do with the real planet and/or inhabitants. Everything in that 'bubble' simply may have been her mental constructions of objects and persons, much like when we visit a friend in a dream, he/she turns out to know nothing about it after we wake up.

    Though I'll admit that the way these things often work in trek, it actually might prove to be a portal to the outside world :)
     
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    Other than the ghost from 'Sub Rosa'.
     
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  11. Greysun

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    There isn't a guarantee there, but she still came to the correct solution after making a scientific assessment of her situation regardless. An ending where she found help or a way out of the Pocket Universe on that version of Tau Alpha C would have been plausible to me. A good episode in any case. :)