That presumes they were against it.
The script even describes them as energy "blips". It was intentional.
Remaster the Animated Series Anyone?
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So you are a saying they lied. That certainly wasn’t the impression I got of them.
Oh FFS. They haven’t offered any information about the shot in question. And Mike’s too tactful and polite to say anything even if he did not like it. That’s the point. We’re not sure who had final say, be it them or someone else.
Oh FFS, all I said is they expressed opposition to mission creep and preferring to stay close the original source material. If they were against drastic or elaborate changes yet they happened anyway then evidently they did not have the final say.
Just because a fan believes that they failed to stay close to the source material, that doesn't mean that people who worked on it thought they weren't saying close enough to fulfill their mission of upgrading the TOS VFX.
Without hearing people say anything specific about the shot in question, we don't know, as @Maurice said.
Without hearing people say anything specific about the shot in question, we don't know, as @Maurice said.
A couple references on Memory Alpha say that's what they did for the blu-ray release, but I don't see anything official saying that. I still don't have the TAS BD release myself, so I can't check the notes to verify.
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Hearing someone say they think things went too far in certain cases gives the general impression they’re disappointed with the end result. I’m sure there were things they liked, but if they had the final say then it sounds like they would have done things differently overall.
Who said what and where? One shouldn’t give hints which could easily create fanmyths. I’ve never seen anything suggesting significant internal disagreements or regrets, and it’s hard to go “too far” if one’s mandate is as wide as imagining what the original production would’ve done with CGI.
No, if it's all or exactly what was said, that would mean that they have problems with how it went but only in certain cases. Anything more does not necessarily follow from it.
As @Boris Skrbic suggested, it's more accurate to give actual quotes than paraphrased recollections. Jumping to conclusions helps little.
As you can see, you never provided a source for any kind of a rift, only speculation based on your understanding of what was said. You don’t seem to have seen any more than I did, which are interviews where the Okudas and/or others claim they didn’t want to change more than the original production would’ve likely done given CGI. What it meant in practice was staying more faithful to TOS than DS9 or ENT had, but not to the point of simply recreating the original shots if there was time and money to do much more.
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This is what prompted the FFS, because I said nothing of the sort. I happen to know Mike. He even showed me around the TNG Art Dept. in 1990.
So if you have direct insight into the subject at hand then why not say so?
I am trying to recall exactly where I saw the Okudas commenting on this, but it was several years ago. Yet as I said what I heard them saying came across as them not agreeing with how far some of TOS-R went. At this point I don’t recall them mentioning specific shots, but talking about the enhancements in general.
If you KNOW differently then say so.
I've stated my opinion before that I believe one of the problems with the animated series is that you don't get the nuances of Shatner, Nimoy of Kelley's acting. I've been watching Shatner in a couple of TOS episodes lately. He jumps over fences. He sits on tables, he winks, fights, wiggles around. he exudes a lot of energy. Nimoy plays Spock with a lot of subtle facial expression, eyebrow raises. They use a lot of body language to covey their personalities, emotions. I'm not explaining this well.
In TAS aside from eyebrow raises its difficult to catch any expressions from anyone.
If they redid the animation to do this, maybe people would like the animation better. I mean I think they had a lot of great stories there.
I do not think it would be worthwhile monetarily.
However if they were to make a new animated Star Trek series (which I thought I saw in the news somewhere) perhaps they could redo the animation of TAS at the same time while leaving the audio unchanged. However I still don't think there would be enough demand.
In TAS aside from eyebrow raises its difficult to catch any expressions from anyone.
If they redid the animation to do this, maybe people would like the animation better. I mean I think they had a lot of great stories there.
I do not think it would be worthwhile monetarily.
However if they were to make a new animated Star Trek series (which I thought I saw in the news somewhere) perhaps they could redo the animation of TAS at the same time while leaving the audio unchanged. However I still don't think there would be enough demand.
Why are you asking me? The question was if we'd like to see it. That's all I'm answering. None of us are qualified to figure out how to produce it. That's above all our heads. The thread is just a big what-if question. No need to get into the nuts and bolts here.
You assume that the average person here cannot imagine what it takes to produce (CG) animation and cannot answer responsibly that any budget would be put to better use creating entirely original animation and pushing the franchise forward. It’s not like only the general audience should be interested in groundbreaking stories of the day while fans continue to think about fantasy projects from the heyday of SEs.
But you can't quote the source so you're challenging me to produce one to counter something you remember? I'm not trying to make an authoritative statement one way or the other, just that it seems no one here knows for sure who had final say on the TOS-R changes.
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