Remaking the Daleks

[Joe Washington]

When the Daleks do return to the series one day, how would you like for them to return? As the same, old Daleks of yore? As a more powerful, formidable threat? Or with motivations different from the Daleks wanting to destroy other forms of life in the Universe?

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Hehe do you guys think it would be a copout if they were responsible for Miracle Day?

If and when they do comeback, they're hopefully more powerful and malevolent and not just canon fodder. Although after the events of The Big Bang, it could be difficult for them.

 

[Sindatur]

I was OK with a little levitation to get over rough patches of land, and maybe even up stairs, but, I think it went too far when they were given actual flight. It makes them too strong, and then when they are defeated, it cheapens them that they are so strong, but, still so easily defeated

 

[ITL]

I think it's time for the Scottish Agenda to make it's presence known...

 

[G2309]

Daleks who can't be defeated by a few presses of a button. Also be good to see small elite dalek groups rather than millions flying around.

 

[Cutter John]

Daleks who can't be defeated by a few presses of a button. Also be good to see small elite dalek groups rather than millions flying around.

This. Just hint that theres a mighty empire of them out there someowhere. Imagining that there are a 100,000 Daleks out there is much more menacing than trying to show them on screen.
Personally 'Bad Wolf' was really the only time this worked well. From then on in, seeign a huge fleet of warship and a gajillion daleks just became old hat.

 

[C.E. Evans]

More Dalek warships and fighter craft.

Also a more simplified color hierarchy:
Red: The Emperor Dalek
Black: Dalek Officers
Gold: Dalek Troops

 

[MacLeod]

The equation is quite simple

1 time Lord > than all the Daleks in the universe. After all the Time Lords are/where one of the oldest most powerful races in the Universe

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Too bad Davros was one and done in NuWho. Could have fleshed him out a bit more.

 

[Joe Washington]

The Daleks could make a younger clone of him based on some DNA they've found of his. Young Davros could act as the recurring personal face of the Daleks, capable of going toe-to-toe with the Doctor.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

I feel like it would almost be a retread of The Master.

 

[Joe Washington]

Well, the Master and Davors are two different people. They may be both egomaniacs and crazy but the Master sees himself as the sole ruler of all things while Davros goes to dark lengths to make sure his Dalek children is preserved, evolves, and takes its rightful place in the Universe. Think of the Master as a spoiled kid who wants everything and Davros as the parent who only wants to push his children out into the world to grow and multiply.

 

[Worf2DS9]

Too bad Davros was one and done in NuWho. Could have fleshed him out a bit more.

Of course, Davros has been "done" several times throughout the classic run and popped up again, so he could always do so again.

 

[Sindatur]

Daleks who can't be defeated by a few presses of a button. Also be good to see small elite dalek groups rather than millions flying around.

This. Just hint that theres a mighty empire of them out there someowhere. Imagining that there are a 100,000 Daleks out there is much more menacing than trying to show them on screen.
Personally 'Bad Wolf' was really the only time this worked well. From then on in, seeign a huge fleet of warship and a gajillion daleks just became old hat.

Yes, no more 10 Kajillion Daleks, pulling out unimaginably sized armies every episode really waters them down too, IMHO. Make it more personal rather than overwhelming, with a few well developed Daleks (Not personalities per say, but, let their individual functions in the group serve as their personality) With or without Davros is fine, as long as he serves a legitimate purpose in the story and is justified if they do include him.

 

[Robert D. Robot]

I think the Daleks should return, but this time as Dick Sargent.

... Wait- sorry. Wrong show. And Dick Sargent is no longer available.... (So could Darrin Stevens have been a Time Lord?).

I think the episode "Dalek" worked very well. I would vote for smaller numbers of Daleks. As a viewer, the huge armies and fleets somehow dilute the feeling of threat (even if they could destroy an entire world). Keeping the scale of the conflict smaller and more intimate ("Shut up!... Not like that!") would be better for the drama.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I'd say no Davros. Daleks in limited numbers if they're on Earth. If they're somewhere else, as many as the story requires. I'd limit their flying even if I'm fine with them flying. Most importantly, though, keep them around. Don't have them emerge from the dead and die in the same episode (it appears they've finally done this).

 

[Sindatur]

I'd say no Davros. Daleks in limited numbers if they're on Earth. If they're somewhere else, as many as the story requires. I'd limit their flying even if I'm fine with them flying. Most importantly, though, keep them around. Don't have them emerge from the dead and die in the same episode (it appears they've finally done this).

Yes, it's OK to win a battle and have them run off with their tail between their legs, but, don't trounce them into extinction and then write something to ret-con them back in. Once or twice was fine, but, it was getting redundant

 

[Yminale]

Yes, it's OK to win a battle and have them run off with their tail between their legs, but, don't trounce them into extinction and then write something to ret-con them back in. Once or twice was fine, but, it was getting redundant

I think the deeper issues is the writers actually hate writing Dalek stories which is why they get killed off BUT they are such a big audience getter that there is this huge pressure to bring them back. This was especially noticeable during RTD's reign when the pressure to create a spectacle always forced him to bring them back.

Moffat is right not to bring them back but I don't agree with his reasons. Is not that the Daleks were overused but misused. RTD made Daleks so insanely powerful and dangerous, their defeat made them comically stupid. In the classic series and Big Finish the stakes are smaller so continuous defeats don't detract from their awesomeness.

 

[DWF]

Yes, it's OK to win a battle and have them run off with their tail between their legs, but, don't trounce them into extinction and then write something to ret-con them back in. Once or twice was fine, but, it was getting redundant

I think the deeper issues is the writers actually hate writing Dalek stories which is why they get killed off BUT they are such a big audience getter that there is this huge pressure to bring them back. This was especially noticeable during RTD's reign when the pressure to create a spectacle always forced him to bring them back.

Moffat is right not to bring them back but I don't agree with his reasons. Is not that the Daleks were overused but misused. RTD made Daleks so insanely powerful and dangerous, their defeat made them comically stupid. In the classic series and Big Finish the stakes are smaller so continuous defeats don't detract from their awesomeness.

The Daleks on the old show were far more powerful then have been recently, they were the first of the Doctor's enemy races to gain the power of time travel. And they were fighting wars on several fronts. They even scared the Times Lords enough to send the Doctor back to destroy them. The major idffernce now is that we can see thousands of Daleks onscreen now.

 

[Yminale]

The Daleks on the old show were far more powerful then have been recently, they were the first of the Doctor's enemy races to gain the power of time travel. And they were fighting wars on several fronts. They even scared the Times Lords enough to send the Doctor back to destroy them. The major idffernce now is that we can see thousands of Daleks onscreen now.

I disagree even. Even at the height of their power they never could directly oppose the Time Lords. Their time traveling technologies were also pretty limited since they could only send a few Daleks at a time and they could not travel through both time and space (only time).

In "Dalek", the Doctor is pretty clear that a single Dalek could destroy an entire city and could wipe out whole armies. They also seemed to have mastered both time travel and even basic Time Lord technologies .