Remake a Series

[Anwar]

If they hadn't used stuff like "photonic" torpedoes and the like, the canonistas would go "the way these effects look, there's no way these could have realistically evolved into the weapons of TOS+", same goes for your idea of how an atomic battle would go. If they did do that they'd just go "this doesn't look primitive enough to be primitive by Spock's standards and in fact looks BETTER than the TOS effects so it's a canon violation."

As for the use of the Xindi nothing said they DIDN'T exist, like you claim "just because they didn't say it happened doesn't mean it didn't" yet despite that the whole arc was despised.

As for "they had the Klingons/Romulans for that!" odds are if they HAD used them it would cause a BIGGER uproar from the canonistas because "TOS+ Never said that the Klingons or Romulans attacked Earth! Horrific canon violation!", it was enough of a negative reaction when they used a new race for that story so just imagine the negative uproar if they used an established one.

As for the Orions, I doubt anything they could've done would've met with the canonistas approval. I mean they hated the "Orion women are the ones really in charge" plot revelation with a passion so anything resembling your "Humans vs Orions" would've just been met with "TOS never implied any of this!" type ranting.

 

[Myasishchev]

Who are these crazy people? I've only ever seen a few of them. (Oh, crap, that probably means I'm one of them. But I liked STIX, so I can't be, right? Right?)

 

[Anwar]

They exist everywhere in the fandom, like cockroaches or termites.

Anywho, like I said ENT isn't worth making since nothing they put on screen would've been met with approval.

 

[Myasishchev]

^Oh, and obviously I meant STXI (11). Not STIX (9).

 

[Candlelight]

Voyager.

But less of 'we have to get home' and more Shackleton's 'we have to get home alive'.

 

[The Badger]

I mean they hated the "Orion women are the ones really in charge" plot revelation with a passion

Well I must admit that I did hate that particular revelation. But that was because it was ill thought out and stupid. It would have been easy to use the Orions as an insidious threat with a bit of thought and planning. Instead they went for a nonsensical M. Night Shamylan style 'what a twist!' ending.


SummerDream, I approve of your Summer Glau as Janeway idea (although, to be fair, I generally approve of Summer Glau in anything ).
Most scripts would have to be rewritten to give her a kick-@$$ fight every other episode, but as I'd want most Voyager scripts rewritten anyway, this is no big deal.

 

[BrotherBenny]

If they hadn't used stuff like "photonic" torpedoes and the like, the canonistas would go "the way these effects look, there's no way these could have realistically evolved into the weapons of TOS+", same goes for your idea of how an atomic battle would go. If they did do that they'd just go "this doesn't look primitive enough to be primitive by Spock's standards and in fact looks BETTER than the TOS effects so it's a canon violation."

I think with the special effects people could have suspended disbelief by actually thinking that the technology we have now is vastly superior to what we had then. The Enterprise NX01 does look far more advanced than the 1701 but that is purely because of the SFX and technology available. I'm quite happy to say that the 1701 is more advanced because it is set a hundred years in the future, and almost solely because it doesn't look that way. It's down to aesthetics.

 

[USS Triumphant]

^Oh, and obviously I meant STXI (11). Not STIX (9).

Hey! What's wrong with Stix?! I quite like "Mr. Roboto", and "Show Me The Way" was pretty good before the radio stations ran it into the ground playing it every other ... oh, what? That's spelled with a 'y'?

Nevermind.

 

[Anwar]

If they hadn't used stuff like "photonic" torpedoes and the like, the canonistas would go "the way these effects look, there's no way these could have realistically evolved into the weapons of TOS+", same goes for your idea of how an atomic battle would go. If they did do that they'd just go "this doesn't look primitive enough to be primitive by Spock's standards and in fact looks BETTER than the TOS effects so it's a canon violation."

I think with the special effects people could have suspended disbelief by actually thinking that the technology we have now is vastly superior to what we had then. The Enterprise NX01 does look far more advanced than the 1701 but that is purely because of the SFX and technology available. I'm quite happy to say that the 1701 is more advanced because it is set a hundred years in the future, and almost solely because it doesn't look that way. It's down to aesthetics.

They audience kept harping on nonstop over how the ship looked bad because it wasn't totally smooth like the TOS Ent was, or how it was grey instead of white, or how the nacelles looked too bright and all that. They totally ignored the fact that FX tech had gotten better in the last 40 years. Like I said, if they had gone out of their way to make the tech look like the linear ancestor of the tech seen in TOS the common audience goer would've just looked at it, said "what the heck is this cheap garbage?" and switched it off.

Heck, I'm sure there were canonistas who were complaining the make-up looked too good for the TOS aliens as well.

 

[Myasishchev]

^Oh, and obviously I meant STXI (11). Not STIX (9).

Hey! What's wrong with Stix?! I quite like "Mr. Roboto", and "Show Me The Way" was pretty good before the radio stations ran it into the ground playing it every other ... oh, what? That's spelled with a 'y'?

Nevermind.

You're the renegade who had it made.

 

[DevilEyes]

Tough question. Voyager or Enterprise is the obvious answer, but I might pick DS9. DS9's great, of course, but with so comparatively little extra effort it could be rendered perfect. Explain the Breen. Give Jadzia a better death. Follow up more on In the Pale Moonlight. Tie Dukat and the Pagh Wraiths back into the Dominion War. And blow up Earth.

I'd much rather avoid the Pah-wraiths altogether. Unless they're portrayed as just another faction that is in conflict with the Prophets but has equally legitimate reasons for what they do - rather than as eeeeevil spirits who want to destroy the universe. Make it a more intelligent and complex story worthy of DS9, rather than a black-and-white 'battles of good and evil' rubbish. (Which was even dumber as we never really got to see why we're supposed to think of The Prophets as 'good'.) And don't screw up Dukat's storyline just because the showrunners had a problem with fans liking him or with women having the hots for him, so they thought they'd change this by trying to make him one-dimensionally eeeeevil. Seriously, ISB and co. I almost feel the need to quote Confused Matthew: Come on! You're better than that!

But that's a bit too late to change and overall I would not remake DS9, since it would be too difficult to find an equally great cast and repeat so many moments of brilliance... but Voyager would be ripe for reimagining, BSG-style, because, just like the original BSG, it had a great premise and very poor execution.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I probably would have remade VOY (ENT is too easy to remake).

For starters, I probably would have stuck with Rick Sternbach's "overgrown runabout" concept for the ship. http://www.starshipdatalink.net/art/images/dv-8.jpg

And rather than have it be stuck in the Delta Quadrant, I would have simply placed it in a distant region of Federation space in the Alpha Quadrant where Starfleet's presence is rather thin and things aren't quite so civilized as they are in the core systems. They would be far enough from Earth that some crewmembers would get homesick, but they're still close enough that they aren't completely cut off from the Federation and the few other Starfleet vessels in the region. Their primary mission out there is patrol along the border between the Federation and a mysterious new alien government that is difficult to determine whether it's a friend or a potential foe. To make matters worse, the Romulans have established a colony in a nearby sector of nonaligned space.

As far as the characters, I would have made Tuvok the first officer and Chakotay the chief tactical officer. Seven of Nine would have been a half-Human/half-Vulcan science officer named T'Annika Hansen. The rest of the characters would have remained the same (except Harry Kim would be gradually promoted as the series progressed). Neelix and Kes would be reoccurring characters as the respective chef and owner of a restaurant on the sole Federation starbase in the region that the Voyager periodically stops by.

There would be a handful of new alien races out there, but it wouldn't be an alien-of-the-week kind of thing...

 

[Lonemagpie]

Voyager and do it right - tensions between Starfleet and Maquis crews, no de-powering the Borg, etc

 

[rahullak]

Voyager. What Lonemagpie said. And stick to the original premise, make it more serial rather than episodic, like a happy balance between TNG and DS9. More conflict in-crew especially between XO and Captain. Give more depth to Harry Kim, less importance to 7 o 9 as the magic wand, exploit character weaknesses etc.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Voyager. What Lonemagpie said. And stick to the original premise, make it more serial rather than episodic, like a happy balance between TNG and DS9. More conflict in-crew especially between XO and Captain. Give more depth to Harry Kim, less importance to 7 o 9 as the magic wand, exploit character weaknesses etc.

Actually, I probably wouldn't have 7 of 9 in it, and if I did it wouldn't have been at the expense of another character. And she'd have been introduced differently, maybe as one of the ex-Borg survivors from Unity or Survival Instinct. And she'd have stayed in the Borg leather catsuit thing.

 

[Pemmer Harge]

I'd keep Kes and Seven and get rid of Harry.

 

[Anwar]

If I was in charge of VOY, I wouldn't give into fan hatred meaning I wouldn't stop using the original aliens of VOY like the Vidiians and Krenim (even though the fans hated them). Thus, I wouldn't have to fall back on using the Borg like the VOY Producers had to because the fans rejected every single original alien VOY made before they even debuted on screen.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Vidiians and Krenim.

lolwhut.

From what I've seen, they were among the more liked of the DQ races - with reason too, since they had great motivations which made them rather grey villians - despite the awful depths they go to to achieve their goals.

Indeed - I would've preferred to have had them for longer than we got in the series as is.

 

[PSGarak]

I'd much rather avoid the Pah-wraiths altogether. Unless they're portrayed as just another faction that is in conflict with the Prophets but has equally legitimate reasons for what they do - rather than as eeeeevil spirits who want to destroy the universe. Make it a more intelligent and complex story worthy of DS9, rather than a black-and-white 'battles of good and evil' rubbish. (Which was even dumber as we never really got to see why we're supposed to think of The Prophets as 'good'.) And don't screw up Dukat's storyline just because the showrunners had a problem with fans liking him or with women having the hots for him, so they thought they'd change this by trying to make him one-dimensionally eeeeevil. Seriously, ISB and co. I almost feel the need to quote Confused Matthew: Come on! You're better than that!

This, but I'd take it even further. Star Trek: Terok Nor. Subtitled "For the Glory of the Cardassian Union", or "Who Cares about Bajorans Anyway?"

 

[DevilEyes]

I'd much rather avoid the Pah-wraiths altogether. Unless they're portrayed as just another faction that is in conflict with the Prophets but has equally legitimate reasons for what they do - rather than as eeeeevil spirits who want to destroy the universe. Make it a more intelligent and complex story worthy of DS9, rather than a black-and-white 'battles of good and evil' rubbish. (Which was even dumber as we never really got to see why we're supposed to think of The Prophets as 'good'.) And don't screw up Dukat's storyline just because the showrunners had a problem with fans liking him or with women having the hots for him, so they thought they'd change this by trying to make him one-dimensionally eeeeevil. Seriously, ISB and co. I almost feel the need to quote Confused Matthew: Come on! You're better than that!

This, but I'd take it even further. Star Trek: Terok Nor. Subtitled "For the Glory of the Cardassian Union", or "Who Cares about Bajorans Anyway?"

Someone already had a similar idea on the "Create an alternate DS9 universe thread" -and, as you can see, I liked the idea and developed it as a hypothetical new, dark and gritty HBO SciFi series "Terok Nor": http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=3261554#post3261554