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I tend to think he has a much better grasp of things than you do. Take it for what you will.

I'll take it for what it's worth, IE nothing. You and your friend are a match made in heaven. Equally unjust and belligerent.

I am putting the two of you on ignore from now on.
 
Well, I know quite a few agnostics, and what Picard says to Data, are not the words of an agnostic not by a few light years. Let's say that it's a subdued form of deism.
 
I could return the compliment as you don't seem to know the first thing about evolution as it depends solely on selection.

No. According to chapter eleven in Evolution by D. Futuyma, the first paragraph of the section covering definitions of natural selection goes like this...
It is important to recognize that "natural selection" is not synonymous with "evolution". Evolution can occur by processes other than natural selection, especially genetic drift. And natural selection can occur without any evolutionary change, as when natural selection maintains the statues quo by eliminating deviants from the optimal phenotype.


Unless there is some form of eugenism going on that nobody knows about. There can't be any evolution in humankind. Stop pretending that you know anything about the subject and try to read a couple of books written by actual scientists.



If that was true, why did Harvard have this research? Or this, out of National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, where I once worked. Before you say the NIH article proves you right, it merely suggests that the "rate of evolution" has relatively slowed down, but the pressure may be still there.
 
Q can alter fundamental laws of the universe. He can travel backward and forward through time. By his own statement, he is "immortal" and "omnipotent."

The Q can die, both mortally and immortally. They aren't invunerable, just extremely well protected by the nature of their existance.

They're petty, immoral, greedy, arrogant, xenophobic, extremist genocidal authoritarian thugs. The only reason they cared about other species was some non-linear ability to note that said species would surpass them on their level of existance eventually.

Or going by the Buried Age, Q is a singular being and equally childlike as Trelane among a community of beings that all evolved naturally to reach the "Continuum" or where ripped from the mortal world and made energy far too early in their development.

It's a refugee camp for those no longer in possession of a physical existance, making the best of their eternity together.
 
The Q can die, both mortally and immortally. They aren't invunerable, just extremely well protected by the nature of their existance.

They're petty, immoral, greedy, arrogant, xenophobic, extremist genocidal authoritarian thugs. The only reason they cared about other species was some non-linear ability to note that said species would surpass them on their level of existance eventually.

Or going by the Buried Age, Q is a singular being and equally childlike as Trelane among a community of beings that all evolved naturally to reach the "Continuum" or where ripped from the mortal world and made energy far too early in their development.

It's a refugee camp for those no longer in possession of a physical existance, making the best of their eternity together.
True, though they still qualify as "superior" in the evolutionary sense. Q can be a jerk, but I can't help it, I love him, especially when he messes with adorable pastel ponies. :ouch:
 
I can just imagine the knashing of teeth and general rioting if John deLancie came back as Q only to be wearing an MLP t-shirt, mentioning having been "away a while".

You think the Discovery threads are bad now? that would kill some of them. :lol:
I would buy that episode on Blu-ray/DVD/Digital download right now. :lol:
 
"Ad hominem " you keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means
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The Q as far as we know, same as all the other energy beings, are part of the natural universe. They are the product of natural processes, even if they have the abilities to manipulate the rest of it.
That makes them not deities in my definition.
Stating that you believe the universe is a lot crazier than people think and there is a lot more to discover, does not equal a notion that there is something supernatural out there.
Even the Q have a natural explanation.
 
You seem to be running out of arguments and have decided to switch to ad hominem instead. Please stop this or I'll have to report you.

I am not calling anyone names.

Why would you say that?

My case is strong enough as I am visibly the only one who's been to college.

You're currently insulting mine. I have never called anyone names. Quote me doing so. I dare you.

I'll take it for what it's worth, IE nothing. You and your friend are a match made in heaven. Equally unjust and belligerent.

I am putting the two of you on ignore from now on.
There's been a lot of grief going back and forth in this debate, but I cite these three in particular because you a) publicly threaten to report your opponent's posts despite doing the exact same things they are doing to you (calling your arguments ignorant, which is fine), b) claim to not be insulting anyone while insinuating that they're uneducated in the very same post (among other insults from posts which I didn't quote), and c) publicly announcing you're putting people on ignore, which is also a no no.

Knock it off or you'll get an infraction, and other people need to chill out too. If you absolutely must comment on this, do so via PM and not in the thread, but I will remind you that nothing has actually happened yet, so please don't treat this like you already were punished or something. I almost always regret just giving a friendly warning first because I seem to get more grief for that than when I give an actual infraction.
 
Then you really don't want a debate. You just want an audience for your views.

LOL, thanks for proving my point about you needing to have the last word. If you don't want people to discuss what you say, you need to stop saying things.

I was respectful saying what I believe and my religion dictates.

Do you see me debating things like what Muslims or Jews eat? No, that's just how they live according to their religion.
 
I was respectful saying what I believe and my religion dictates.

Do you see me debating things like what Muslims or Jews eat? No, that's just how they live according to their religion.
Ah, but while I understand you're simply espousing your point of view regarding your faith, from our perspective, your statement is akin to saying "It's not that I hate black people, I don't, but I cannot condone their skin color. It's an affront to God." Someone being gay is who they are. It's not a lifestyle choice, it's not something you can choose, like a religion, it is a part of their very existence. To deny them that, and to condemn that as if they have a choice in the matter, or to demand that they abstain from being who they are in order to assuage the needs of your particular faith, is frowned upon, and for good reason.
 
Ah, but while I understand you're simply espousing your point of view regarding your faith, from our perspective, your statement is akin to saying "It's not that I hate black people, I don't, but I cannot condone their skin color. It's an affront to God." Someone being gay is who they are. It's not a lifestyle choice, it's not something you can choose, like a religion, it is a part of their very existence. To deny them that, and to condemn that as if they have a choice in the matter, or to demand that they abstain from being who they are in order to assuage the needs of your particular faith, is frowned upon, and for good reason.
dude...just let it go...he doesn't get it...he'll never get it...he's a bigot w a gay man for his avatar...he doesn't get his own point
 
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