Redesigning the Enterprise for STXII?

[Search4]

Well if they're going to have a brewery, then we need a tap room... and tourists drinking the free beer.

 

[Rush Limborg]

^Funny you should mention that: I recall a Captain Pike/Spock novel (I think it's Vulcan's Glory), in which a young assistant engineer Scotty introduces the engineering staff to Engine Room Hootch, brewed by the power of the warp core.

Needless to say, it's got quite a kick.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I suspect that's how most people noticed it as a brewery in the first place.

I've pointed this out many times, but it needs to be considered that the majority of the people who say things like "I noticed it was a brewery" are actually lying, since a vanishingly small number of people on this board would actually recognize a brewery if they saw one.

Let's be honest with ourselves. The only reason you--and most of the reason of us--knew it was a brewery is because you came to be informed (probably through TrekBBS) that the engineering scenes were filmed inside of a brewery.

To me it looked like a giant boiler room. To others it looked like a chemical factory. I saw a couple of people say it looked like the inside of the Ferrara Pan Candy Factory (which it does, far more so than a brewery). But I have never heard ANYONE say with a straight face "the first time I saw it, it looked like a brewery" EXCEPT at TrekBBS.

 

[zar]

^ Unless, of course, they're into that sort of thing: http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/star-treks-engineering-deck-brewery/

I think many people noticed, even if they couldn't accurately identify it as a brewery, that it was an actual 20th century building, not a set that belonged as part of the rest of the starship that we saw.

 

[Gojira]

^ Unless, of course, they're into that sort of thing: http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/star-treks-engineering-deck-brewery/

I think many people noticed, even if they couldn't accurately identify it as a brewery, that it was an actual 20th century building, not a set that belonged as part of the rest of the starship that we saw.

I loved the movie but it was when Scotty and Kirk were being chased through "engineering" was when I could really tell it was a brewery and it took me out of the movie for a few moments.

 

[Gojira]

I suspect that's how most people noticed it as a brewery in the first place.

I've pointed this out many times, but it needs to be considered that the majority of the people who say things like "I noticed it was a brewery" are actually lying, since a vanishingly small number of people on this board would actually recognize a brewery if they saw one.

Let's be honest with ourselves. The only reason you--and most of the reason of us--knew it was a brewery is because you came to be informed (probably through TrekBBS) that the engineering scenes were filmed inside of a brewery.

To me it looked like a giant boiler room. To others it looked like a chemical factory. I saw a couple of people say it looked like the inside of the Ferrara Pan Candy Factory (which it does, far more so than a brewery). But I have never heard ANYONE say with a straight face "the first time I saw it, it looked like a brewery" EXCEPT at TrekBBS.

But no one said it looked like a futuristic engineering room aboard a Starship. That is the point. Those scenes took people out of the movie.

 

[Dukhat]

I think many people here are making too big a deal about something relatively insignificant.

Pretty much every person I know who saw the movie who either a) was not a Trek fan to the extent that people here are, or b) a Trek fan but not a member of the TrekBBS - never noticed a brewery when I pointed out to them that there was one in the movie.

This whole "it took me right out of the 23rd century" silliness is just most peoples' response to something they already knew they were going to see, thanks to the TrekBBS.

 

[chardman]

I suspect that's how most people noticed it as a brewery in the first place.

I've pointed this out many times, but it needs to be considered that the majority of the people who say things like "I noticed it was a brewery" are actually lying, since a vanishingly small number of people on this board would actually recognize a brewery if they saw one.

Let's be honest with ourselves. The only reason you--and most of the reason of us--knew it was a brewery is because you came to be informed (probably through TrekBBS) that the engineering scenes were filmed inside of a brewery.

To me it looked like a giant boiler room. To others it looked like a chemical factory. I saw a couple of people say it looked like the inside of the Ferrara Pan Candy Factory (which it does, far more so than a brewery). But I have never heard ANYONE say with a straight face "the first time I saw it, it looked like a brewery" EXCEPT at TrekBBS.

But no one said it looked like a futuristic engineering room aboard a Starship. That is the point. Those scenes took people out of the movie.

And yet, I've talked to a number of people who feel exactly the opposite was true: That unlike all the other spacecraft engine rooms they'd ever seen in movies, (including past "Trek" film with their ridiculous art-deco "warp cores") this was the first one that looked like it could actually do something, For these people, the "realness" of that setting made the film all the more plausible, and didn't "take them out of the movie" at all.

 

[Gojira]

I've pointed this out many times, but it needs to be considered that the majority of the people who say things like "I noticed it was a brewery" are actually lying, since a vanishingly small number of people on this board would actually recognize a brewery if they saw one.

Let's be honest with ourselves. The only reason you--and most of the reason of us--knew it was a brewery is because you came to be informed (probably through TrekBBS) that the engineering scenes were filmed inside of a brewery.

To me it looked like a giant boiler room. To others it looked like a chemical factory. I saw a couple of people say it looked like the inside of the Ferrara Pan Candy Factory (which it does, far more so than a brewery). But I have never heard ANYONE say with a straight face "the first time I saw it, it looked like a brewery" EXCEPT at TrekBBS.

But no one said it looked like a futuristic engineering room aboard a Starship. That is the point. Those scenes took people out of the movie.

And yet, I've talked to a number of people who feel exactly the opposite was true: That unlike all the other spacecraft engine rooms they'd ever seen in movies, (including past "Trek" film with their ridiculous art-deco "warp cores") this was the first one that looked like it could actually do something, For these people, the "realness" of that setting made the film all the more plausible, and didn't "take them out of the movie" at all.

I do like the attempt at reality that JJ did for that movie. I just wish he had gone a step further and concealed what that location was for the movie.

 

[Bob Karo]

It reminded me more of the engine room in Space Mutiny.

 

[Joker]

http://www.hitfix.com/articles/bob-...derway-for-enterprise-and-more-in-star-trek-2

It seems they're considering redesigning the Enterprise during their "soft prep" for Star Trek 2/XII.

Note Bob's use of the word "might" before going overboard.

I really liked the look of STXI, brewery and all. So I'm not thrilled at the possibility of changes.

Move the neck forward so that it isn't growing out of the ass.

Damn thing looks ridiculous.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^ Unless, of course, they're into that sort of thing: http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/star-treks-engineering-deck-brewery/

I think many people noticed, even if they couldn't accurately identify it as a brewery, that it was an actual 20th century building, not a set that belonged as part of the rest of the starship that we saw.

Certainly. The thing they were going for was "recognizeably industrial," implying, basically, that machinery and the spaces designed to contain them don't need to be--and aren't supposed to be--flashy or fancy in order to work properly. A 23rd century factory probably doesn't look THAT much different from a 21st century one; according to STXI, the same is true of a 23rd century engine room.

I suspect that's how most people noticed it as a brewery in the first place.

I've pointed this out many times, but it needs to be considered that the majority of the people who say things like "I noticed it was a brewery" are actually lying, since a vanishingly small number of people on this board would actually recognize a brewery if they saw one.

Let's be honest with ourselves. The only reason you--and most of the reason of us--knew it was a brewery is because you came to be informed (probably through TrekBBS) that the engineering scenes were filmed inside of a brewery.

To me it looked like a giant boiler room. To others it looked like a chemical factory. I saw a couple of people say it looked like the inside of the Ferrara Pan Candy Factory (which it does, far more so than a brewery). But I have never heard ANYONE say with a straight face "the first time I saw it, it looked like a brewery" EXCEPT at TrekBBS.

But no one said it looked like a futuristic engineering room aboard a Starship.

Indeed. It looked like a MODERN engine room aboard a starship, which was, I thought, an interesting stylistic twist.

But no one said it looked like a futuristic engineering room aboard a Starship. That is the point. Those scenes took people out of the movie.

And yet, I've talked to a number of people who feel exactly the opposite was true: That unlike all the other spacecraft engine rooms they'd ever seen in movies, (including past "Trek" film with their ridiculous art-deco "warp cores") this was the first one that looked like it could actually do something, For these people, the "realness" of that setting made the film all the more plausible, and didn't "take them out of the movie" at all.

I do like the attempt at reality that JJ did for that movie. I just wish he had gone a step further and concealed what that location was for the movie.

Why? 99% of his audience didn't care enough to find out. Why conceal something that only uptight nerds with an axe to grind would bother looking up in the first place?

 

[zar]

The thing they were going for was "recognizeably industrial," implying, basically, that machinery and the spaces designed to contain them don't need to be--and aren't supposed to be--flashy or fancy in order to work properly.

Obviously, the people who designed the Enterprise were not following this steampunky philosophy. If you look at the engine room scenes on their own, you might say they were trying to imply that, but given the rest of the movie it doesn't make any sense. It's a jarring inconsistency.

A 23rd century factory probably doesn't look THAT much different from a 21st century one; according to STXI, the same is true of a 23rd century engine room.

Seriously? You expect a warp drive would look like a nuclear plant?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

A 23rd century factory probably doesn't look THAT much different from a 21st century one; according to STXI, the same is true of a 23rd century engine room.

Seriously? You expect a warp drive would look like a nuclear plant?

Are you saying you know what a warp drive would look like if they existed?

 

[zar]

No, but I do know that a nuclear plant looks nothing like a windmill. I'm asking if/why newtype_alpha believes a 200-years advanced power source would comprise physical components that look just like what we have now.

 

[SonicRanger]

Having been to the Fermilab accelerators, two nuclear reactors, and a few breweries, they don't look that much different.

 

[Cyke101]

^ Unless, of course, they're into that sort of thing: http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/star-treks-engineering-deck-brewery/

I think many people noticed, even if they couldn't accurately identify it as a brewery, that it was an actual 20th century building, not a set that belonged as part of the rest of the starship that we saw.

I suspect that's how most people noticed it as a brewery in the first place.

I've pointed this out many times, but it needs to be considered that the majority of the people who say things like "I noticed it was a brewery" are actually lying, since a vanishingly small number of people on this board would actually recognize a brewery if they saw one.

Let's be honest with ourselves. The only reason you--and most of the reason of us--knew it was a brewery is because you came to be informed (probably through TrekBBS) that the engineering scenes were filmed inside of a brewery.

To me it looked like a giant boiler room. To others it looked like a chemical factory. I saw a couple of people say it looked like the inside of the Ferrara Pan Candy Factory (which it does, far more so than a brewery). But I have never heard ANYONE say with a straight face "the first time I saw it, it looked like a brewery" EXCEPT at TrekBBS.

Or if there was a Budweiser commercial in, say, the Super Bowl really. Arguably more people see breweries through movies and commercials than they see chemical plants or nuclear labs. But that's beside the point, and kind of based on semantics. It's a shift between most of what we see on the Enterprise, and the engine room itself, and it doesn't quite match up.

Like I said in an earlier post, I wouldn't mind the brewery/chemical plant/Fermilab look (happy now?) as much if there was just a little bit more to connect it to the aesthetic of the rest of the ship, or a brief establishing shot to connect the two. It need not look as uniform as, say, TNG's engineering section with the rest of the E-D, but it was like seeing a forest chase suddenly turn into a desert romp in a bad Hanna-Barbera cartoon.

 

[F. King Daniel]

But on real-life ships, the command and engineering sections DON'T look the same.

 

[Cyke101]

But on real-life ships, the command and engineering sections DON'T look the same.

They don't, but on movies or TV shows set on real-life ships, you can show the bridge and engineering and any other section of the ship and tell that it's still the same ship, even with a quick change (and besides, no modern day command section looks like the bridge of the JJprise, which is sort of the point of updating the Enterprise bridge). Again, it doesn't have to look like the bridge, but some kind of connection, like a small aesthetic tweak, would've made the change in scenes less jarring.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The thing they were going for was "recognizeably industrial," implying, basically, that machinery and the spaces designed to contain them don't need to be--and aren't supposed to be--flashy or fancy in order to work properly.

Obviously, the people who designed the Enterprise were not following this steampunky philosophy.

Weren't they? The shuttlecraft, the Kelvin's bridge and corridors, the phaser room, even (to a certain extent) sickbay and the transporter room.

The only part of the ship that seemed remarkably futuristic was the bridge, but even then it only seemed like a giant 23rd century iMac.

A 23rd century factory probably doesn't look THAT much different from a 21st century one; according to STXI, the same is true of a 23rd century engine room.

Seriously? You expect a warp drive would look like a nuclear plant?

Why not? The impulse drive IS a nuclear power plant. Why would the warp drive look any differently?