Redesigning the Enterprise for STXII?

[jefferiestubes8]

new sections

New sets will be built for interiors of the Enterprise.
They only had Bridge, hallways, sick bay, and a turbolift really.
Maybe they will build a full-size Engineering section.
More sets built would mean they could hand them over to a TV series based on the JJVerse movies greatly reducing the cost of a pilot starting the series say pulling them out of storage in 2014 a year after after Trek XIII completes production.

 

[Gojira]

Like most, i wasnt thrilled by the new enterprise in Its initial images first released but i quickly realised that it was designed to be moving and it looked pretty damn cool on the move.

I had my gripes with the design as much as the next person but, i just accepted it was their version. Fair enough, i wasnt too thrilled with the USS Supersize and its curves etc but hey, its just a movie. Didnt change my view on the Trek i loved before.

But, as changes go, i doubt there will be big changes. Probably just such things as surface details and equip/set alterations.

My main gripe was with engeneering and the bridge. Just didnt do it for me. Was cool looking but just didnt go 'wow'


If they change engineering itll be cool. Considering those kick ass concept images compared to what we got was just disapointing. You can compare TOS engine room quirks and design features as much as you like but it was just a penny pinching lazy decision. Fair enough they extended it via cg and backdrops etc, but, its still, a umm, brewery.

Id be happy with an engineering overhaul. On the plus side, i loved hanger bay.

After seeing the concept images of engineering it does make me long for what it could have looked like. I liked all of the technical displays on the bridge at each station but I didn't like the stark white colors or the lighting. Plus the Captain's chair looked like it had no cushions just a hard plastic seat, how uncomfortable!

 

[Patrickivan]

Like most, i wasnt thrilled by the new enterprise in Its initial images first released but i quickly realised that it was designed to be moving and it looked pretty damn cool on the move.

I had my gripes with the design as much as the next person but, i just accepted it was their version. Fair enough, i wasnt too thrilled with the USS Supersize and its curves etc but hey, its just a movie. Didnt change my view on the Trek i loved before.

But, as changes go, i doubt there will be big changes. Probably just such things as surface details and equip/set alterations.

My main gripe was with engeneering and the bridge. Just didnt do it for me. Was cool looking but just didnt go 'wow'


If they change engineering itll be cool. Considering those kick ass concept images compared to what we got was just disapointing. You can compare TOS engine room quirks and design features as much as you like but it was just a penny pinching lazy decision. Fair enough they extended it via cg and backdrops etc, but, its still, a umm, brewery.

Id be happy with an engineering overhaul. On the plus side, i loved hanger bay.

After seeing the concept images of engineering it does make me long for what it could have looked like. I liked all of the technical displays on the bridge at each station but I didn't like the stark white colors or the lighting. Plus the Captain's chair looked like it had no cushions just a hard plastic seat, how uncomfortable!

That chair was accidentally made for the older, fatter behind of Captain Kirk... It was space/ time anomaly...

 

[Cyke101]

Plus the Captain's chair looked like it had no cushions just a hard plastic seat, how uncomfortable!

Cushions are not required, as the captain is usually hanging off various cliffs throughout the movie

(seriously though, I imagine it to be a uniformed single cushion on leather, not unlike Ikea. Or, the futurist in me would hope that it's some sort of memory foam -- a seat for all kinds of butts!)

 

[Classic Fan]

Plus the Captain's chair looked like it had no cushions just a hard plastic seat, how uncomfortable!

Cushions are not required, as the captain is usually hanging off various cliffs throughout the movie

(seriously though, I imagine it to be a uniformed single cushion on leather, not unlike Ikea. Or, the futurist in me would hope that it's some sort of memory foam -- a seat for all kinds of butts!)

Ironically, most of the Enterprise furnishings were from Ikea.

 

[malchya]

I just have to chime in with an anecdotal story of watching the JJ film for the first time:

A friend of 30 years' standing and I, Star Trek fans from way back, went to the opening night of the new film. When we saw the engineering section for the first time, we actually cracked up laughing. You see, 25 years ago we both were helping pay for college by working part time as security guards. At the Coors brewery.

So here you have two fans who did recognize the engineering section as a brewery without the aid of the bbs.

And we both HATE it. It slammed us forcibly back to the 21st century and made it rather difficult to take the rest of the film seriously.

Despite that, however, I enjoyed the film and can hardly wait for the sequel. But Dear Lord do I ever hope they do away with the brewery!

 

[tighr]

I don't understand the hate for the brewery.

I work in the engineering department of a food manufacturing plant, and we have a CoGeneration facility. I have taken ship tours on Cruiseliners. That's how I expect an engineering section of a starship to actually look. Pipes everywhere, water conduits for cooling, holdover tanks, etc. Even in the 23rd century, I don't expect them to have clean looking engineering control rooms like we've seen on the Enterprise-D/Voyager.

Maybe they could redesign it, or built a set for it instead of using an actual brewery, but I thought it makes LOADS more sense that engineering is huge and industrial looking.

I thought Battlestar Galactica did a good job of showing the engineering section, with their twin turbine jumpdrive spools and double-lined hulls.

 

[malchya]

Okay, pipes and valves and such do exist in marine engineering plants. They exist in nuclear power plants, chicken processing plants and the riser room of the hotel I manage. None of these really look alike. I've been inboard on everything from a civil war vintage ironclad gunboat to a modern super tanker and marine plants could never be mistaken for a brewery floor. Trust me. And we are not really talking about marine plants but, rather, starship propulsion plants. I don't mind a nod in homage to the steam plant feel. If you want the engine room of the Enterprise to look retro steam punkish, then fine. But don't film it in a brewery and expect me to see anything but a bloody brewery!

 

[Psion]

I hear you, Malchya. I worked for the engineering firm that remodeled the Anheuser-Busch Los Angeles brewery back in the early 90s. I wasn't just slammed right back into the 21st century ... I went all the way back to the 20th!

On the other hand, it's my understanding that while preproduction came up with designs for a proper 23rd century engineering set, the budget simply wasn't there for it and they were forced to come up with something else. The AB plant, while ridiculous to folks like us, provided a large, mechanical space that gave the production a roomy set.

 

[malchya]

I had not heard of the budget issue. If that's the case, then I understand. (I still don't agree and would think that other places may have worked better; say the turbine deck of a power generation facility.) So I hope the budget is there for XII!

 

[NuFan]

Re: new sections

More sets built would mean they could hand them over to a TV series based on the JJVerse movies greatly reducing the cost of a pilot starting the series.

They did this before with the old shows, didn't they? The movies and series shared some sets?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yes. Lots and lots of set-sharing and recyling occurred throughout Trek. Sickbay was the same on Voyager and the Enterprise-E, for example. As was Engineering on the Enterprise's D and A. Ten Forward was the president's office. The Enterprise bridge in STV and VI became the Equinox and the Prometheus in Voyager. And so on.

 

[Marc]

Yes. Lots and lots of set-sharing and recyling occurred throughout Trek. Sickbay was the same on Voyager and the Enterprise-E, for example. As was Engineering on the Enterprise's D and A. Ten Forward was the president's office. The Enterprise bridge in STV and VI became the Equinox and the Prometheus in Voyager. And so on.

Some parts of the TNG sets dated back to Phase II.

But even then it can be a struggle to get some sets built (the story goes that Roddenberry wrote a scene in Encounter at Farpoint set in Engineering just to make sure the set got built)

Think part of the problem with set design for the Abrams movies is the stylistic differences make it hard to re-use any existing sets without major major redressing that may not be cost effect. Plus how much in the way of prime universe Trek sets would Paramount have in storage?. There might be some TNG movie stuff but Ent, Voyager and DS9 sets are likely have been recycled and demolished.

 

[M'Sharak]

Think part of the problem with set design for the Abrams movies is the stylistic differences make it hard to re-use any existing sets without major major redressing that may not be cost effect. Plus how much in the way of prime universe Trek sets would Paramount have in storage?. There might be some TNG movie stuff but Ent, Voyager and DS9 sets are likely have been recycled and demolished.

Most of it was gone before production had properly got underway on the movie. There was an auction at Christie's in October 2006 of years' worth of props and costumes, and most of what sets remained in storage were demolished the following month.

 

[jaygibson77]

The engine room reminded me of taking my car to the garage.

 

[Sabataage]

Ahh, yes. Now I remember why I stopped coming to this website. If I had a nickel for every time I read the word "brewery" on this forum, I would have enough money to fly around the country and beat the stupid of all of you, with a crowbar... covered in DIAMONDS. And then I would feed you the leftover nickels until you got nickel poisoning and died. And then I would celebrate by going to the Budweiser plant in California and watch the filming of Star Trek XII and laugh diabolically to myself until they threw me out.

Oh yeah, on topic: at the end of the movie you see the bridge, and presumably many other areas of the ship, cracking under stress from the black hole, making a small (between movies) refit or redesign totally plausible in story. They shouldn't change the outside of the ship too much though, as I find drastic alterations like that distracting and unnecessary. The TMP Enterprise looked more or less the same for all six movies she appeared in, even when she was a different ship.

 

[Garak]

Ahh, yes. Now I remember why I stopped coming to this website. If I had a nickel for every time I read the word "brewery" on this forum, I would have enough money to fly around the country and beat the stupid of all of you, with a crowbar... covered in DIAMONDS. And then I would feed you the leftover nickels until you got nickel poisoning and died. And then I would celebrate by going to the Budweiser plant in California and watch the filming of Star Trek XII and laugh diabolically to myself until they threw me out.

It's pretty pathetic that the word "brewery" makes you feel like you want to "beat the stupid" out of posters here, or at the very least type out a boring, holier than thou post of you fantasizing about it.

Pity.

 

[Sabataage]

It's pretty pathetic that the word "brewery" makes you feel like you want to "beat the stupid" out of posters here, or at the very least type out a boring, holier than thou post of you fantasizing about it.

Pity.

Sorry. I didn't realize complaining every week about the same goddamn thing matters so much to you. You must be a treat at holidays.

 

[malchya]

I don't usually reply to this kind of thing, thinking it rather beneath a civilized man. But I just can't help myself: Sabataage, what on earth compels you to believe that your opinion in any way supersedes in importance that of anyone else on the board? I would despair that the barbarians are at the gates, but the fact appears to be that they are on the board.....

 

[Gojira]

Oh yeah, on topic: at the end of the movie you see the bridge, and presumably many other areas of the ship, cracking under stress from the black hole, making a small (between movies) refit or redesign totally plausible in story. They shouldn't change the outside of the ship too much though, as I find drastic alterations like that distracting and unnecessary. The TMP Enterprise looked more or less the same for all six movies she appeared in, even when she was a different ship.

The flaw in the theory is that we already saw the Enterprise repaired from the damage cased by the black hole and destruction of the Narada when Kirk takes over as Captain and they take off on their first mission.