Recycling starship models

[t_smitts]

Speaking of the Farragut, something occurred to me recently: Now, supposedly, they chose to retcon the Melbourne in "Emissary" as being an Excelsior because that model was more detailed, having been built for a movie.

Which is rather strange since the Nebula model was still good enough to later use for that lovely flyby shot at the end of Generations, which would've been seen on screens MUCH bigger than "Emissary" was ever seen.

Actually that's a completely different model. The Nebula model didn't premiere until the next season's "The Wounded". None of the parts are really the same as the Galaxy. Half the windows on the saucer are missing, custom nacelle pylons, and the engineering hull is much shorter, stouter, and has an oddly-shaped deflector.

The Melbourne was one of three or so kitbashed Nebula study models, made from rearranged Galaxy-class kits. That particular one has a full-length Galaxy engineering hull and an additional pair of little Galaxy nacelles back on the fantail. EAS has a good article on it here. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/proto-nebula.htm You might have to copy-paste the address because of hotlinking protection.

I'm aware of that. I was curious why they didn't use the model in use since "The Wounded" for the Melbourne in "Emissary", or just make it a different ship altogether.

 

[Talos]

I'm aware of that. I was curious why they didn't use the model in use since "The Wounded" for the Melbourne in "Emissary", or just make it a different ship altogether.

Oh, I see what you mean. I never thought of that before....that would have been very cool. A proper Nebula won't get to take on the Borg until First Contact, if I remember correctly.

 

[t_smitts]

I'm aware of that. I was curious why they didn't use the model in use since "The Wounded" for the Melbourne in "Emissary", or just make it a different ship altogether.

Oh, I see what you mean. I never thought of that before....that would have been very cool. A proper Nebula won't get to take on the Borg until First Contact, if I remember correctly.

Actually, they still used a Nebula in the Wolf 359 scenes for "Emissary". It was the USS Bellerophon.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Lessee...Here are the ones I'm aware of.

First, the Federation:
USS Aurora and Tholian Web Spinner
DY-100 sleeper ship was used as both Khan's Botany Bay in "Space Seed" and as the Woden, destroyed in "The Ultimate Computer"
Miranda/Reliant, Lantree, Soyuz/Bozeman, Saratoga (DS9) and Tian An Men (DS9 - weapons pod impulse booster)
Excelsior (NX), Excelsior (NCC) and Excelsior Upgrade/Enterprise-B/Lakota
Ambassador/Enterprise-C and Zuhkkov
Galaxy/Enterprise-D, Riker's AGT Hotrod and Venture
Nebula, Phoenix and Melbourne
Nova and Rhode Island
Sydney/Jenolan and 23rd Century Executive Shuttle
Merchantman Freighter, Sheliak Personnel Carrier and Vidiian Research Vessel
Peregrine and Raider were used by both Federation and Maquis
Peregrine was also used as the Kraylor Medical Transport Nightingale
Timeship Aeon and Devore Shuttle
Type 6 Shuttlepod and Alice (I think)
Oberth has been used many times but never seems to have changed much, if at all
And there are at least 5 known kinds of "Antares-class Freighters": Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Type 4 and Type 5

Klingon:
Voodieh and Negh'var
D-5 Battlecruiser and D-5 Tanker
K'T'Inga used multiple times and repainted as Kronos One
D-7 Battlecruiser has been used and reused more times than I can recall
K'Vort/B'Rel Bird of Prey has also been overused beyond reason
Toron's Shuttlepod, Rasmussen's Timeship, Pentarian Mining Shuttle Nenebek and Iyaaran Shuttle
Noggra Freighter and Promellian Battlecruiser (actually, the latter ship came first)

Romulan:
D'deridex and Mazarite Attack Vessel (top half of Warbid hull)
T-15 Pollux, S-12 Stalker and Nasari Interceptor Nerada (funny how they used this name for a model that was once Romulan, years before this one, and only one letter off)

Cardassian:
Galor and Keldon (the latter, ironically seems to have a Bajoran Freighter bolted onto the back of it)
Cardassian Work Bee, Ledosian Patrol Ship and Assan's Racer (which looks suspiciously like a Cylon Raider, complete with double-pentagon-shaped logo, from TOS Battlestar Galactica)

Others (The ST:Voyager "Ships of the Week" were especially prolific when it came to recylcing models, to absurd levels):
Bajoran Freighter, Bajoran Transport (Variant 1), Bajoran Transport (Variant 2), Pakled Freighter, Numiri Patrol Ship, Zibalian Trader Ship Jovis and Nuubari Freighter *** WINNER OF THE MOST WIDELY USED FILMING MODEL AWARD ***
Bajoran Fighter and Xantoran Patrol Ship
Annari Warship and Ramuran Vessel
Akritirian Attack Ship, Lokirrim Patrol Ship, A Generic Pirate Ship and Kriosian Battlecruiser
Benthan Shuttle and Steth Cruiser
Brunali Transport and Caatati Refugee Ship
Corvallen Freighter, Straleb Security Vessel, Jaheel's Freighter and Neelix's Shuttle (the last one may be a stretch)
Daelen Vessel and Benthan Cruiser
Dralian Vessel, Gar Vessel, Repto-Humanoid Vessel and Nygean Prison Ship
Flaxian Trader and Kovin Vessel
Hunters of Tosk and Tarellian Plague Vessel
Karemman Freighter, a Variant of the same and Ledosian Freighter
Kes' Shuttle and Torat Vessel
Ledosian Spaceport and Markonian Outpost
Miradorn Scout and Taresian Rapid Response Combat Vessel
Qatai Vessel and Salvage Alien Vessel
T'Pau Vulcan Transport and Tosk's Escape Vessel (and some also consider to be the Federation "Apollo" Class)
Turei Cruiser and Voth Research Vessel

I'm sure there are several others, but y'all get the point...

 

[publiusr]

I think they turned the Nuubaris ship around and called it a Zeppilite ship on DS9

 

[F. King Daniel]

Lessee...Here are the ones I'm aware of.

First, the Federation:
USS Aurora and Tholian Web Spinner
DY-100 sleeper ship was used as both Khan's Botany Bay in "Space Seed" and as the Woden, destroyed in "The Ultimate Computer"
Miranda/Reliant, Lantree, Soyuz/Bozeman, Saratoga (DS9) and Tian An Men (DS9 - weapons pod impulse booster)
Excelsior (NX), Excelsior (NCC) and Excelsior Upgrade/Enterprise-B/Lakota
Ambassador/Enterprise-C and Zuhkkov
Galaxy/Enterprise-D, Riker's AGT Hotrod and Venture
Nebula, Phoenix and Melbourne
Nova and Rhode Island
Sydney/Jenolan and 23rd Century Executive Shuttle
Merchantman Freighter, Sheliak Personnel Carrier and Vidiian Research Vessel
Peregrine and Raider were used by both Federation and Maquis
Peregrine was also used as the Kraylor Medical Transport Nightingale
Timeship Aeon and Devore Shuttle
Type 6 Shuttlepod and Alice (I think)
Oberth has been used many times but never seems to have changed much, if at all
And there are at least 5 known kinds of "Antares-class Freighters": Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Type 4 and Type 5

Klingon:
Voodieh and Negh'var
D-5 Battlecruiser and D-5 Tanker
K'T'Inga used multiple times and repainted as Kronos One
D-7 Battlecruiser has been used and reused more times than I can recall
K'Vort/B'Rel Bird of Prey has also been overused beyond reason
Toron's Shuttlepod, Rasmussen's Timeship, Pentarian Mining Shuttle Nenebek and Iyaaran Shuttle
Noggra Freighter and Promellian Battlecruiser (actually, the latter ship came first)

Romulan:
D'deridex and Mazarite Attack Vessel (top half of Warbid hull)
T-15 Pollux, S-12 Stalker and Nasari Interceptor Nerada (funny how they used this name for a model that was once Romulan, years before this one, and only one letter off)

Cardassian:
Galor and Keldon (the latter, ironically seems to have a Bajoran Freighter bolted onto the back of it)
Cardassian Work Bee, Ledosian Patrol Ship and Assan's Racer (which looks suspiciously like a Cylon Raider, complete with double-pentagon-shaped logo, from TOS Battlestar Galactica)

Others (The ST:Voyager "Ships of the Week" were especially prolific when it came to recylcing models, to absurd levels):
Bajoran Freighter, Bajoran Transport (Variant 1), Bajoran Transport (Variant 2), Pakled Freighter, Numiri Patrol Ship, Zibalian Trader Ship Jovis and Nuubari Freighter *** WINNER OF THE MOST WIDELY USED FILMING MODEL AWARD ***
Bajoran Fighter and Xantoran Patrol Ship
Annari Warship and Ramuran Vessel
Akritirian Attack Ship, Lokirrim Patrol Ship, A Generic Pirate Ship and Kriosian Battlecruiser
Benthan Shuttle and Steth Cruiser
Brunali Transport and Caatati Refugee Ship
Corvallen Freighter, Straleb Security Vessel, Jaheel's Freighter and Neelix's Shuttle (the last one may be a stretch)
Daelen Vessel and Benthan Cruiser
Dralian Vessel, Gar Vessel, Repto-Humanoid Vessel and Nygean Prison Ship
Flaxian Trader and Kovin Vessel
Hunters of Tosk and Tarellian Plague Vessel
Karemman Freighter, a Variant of the same and Ledosian Freighter
Kes' Shuttle and Torat Vessel
Ledosian Spaceport and Markonian Outpost
Miradorn Scout and Taresian Rapid Response Combat Vessel
Qatai Vessel and Salvage Alien Vessel
T'Pau Vulcan Transport and Tosk's Escape Vessel (and some also consider to be the Federation "Apollo" Class)
Turei Cruiser and Voth Research Vessel

I'm sure there are several others, but y'all get the point...

Woah!

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ Heh...that was my thought as well after I completed compiling that list. It took me far more time than I anticipated. Of course, once they started using CG models, it became much easier for them to regurgitate old designs by doing the ol' copy and paste with some revised skins.

I think they turned the Nuubaris ship around and called it a Zeppilite ship on DS9

Quite possible. Yet another use of the Bajoran transport/freighter design.