Recasting.....set in stone, or the start of something totally new?

[gastrof]

I noticed the other day that the actor playing McCoy said he'd "love to play McCoy again". This seemed to suggest to me that even if there is a sequel, it's not an open and shut case that he'll be there.

What if the movies go on, but with new faces sometimes showing up as known characters? (Similar to what happened with Saavik.)

How would this sit with you, if you knew the next film might have an entirely different person playing your favorite character than the new actor you'd just gotten used to?

The fans of NEW VOYAGES/PHASE II have seen this happen twice with Chekov, and once each with Scotty, Uhura, Sulu, and even Spock.

What if the movies do the same? Will this make the road bumpy for you, or will you feel it's still smooth sailing?

 

[number6]

I won't happen. All of the principle actors have signed a three movie deal. This is of course contingent on this film doing well. If the film does well there will be more and the same actors will be able to reprise their roles. That's what Urban meant about "playing McCoy again."

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I really don't care one way or another, as long as the casting is good.

 

[EyalM]

Once you slayed the sacred cow and recasted the whole TOS gang, doing it again wouldn't be that much of an issue. Those who oppose the current recast will continue to oppose, and does that accept it will accept another.

 

[ProwlAlpha]

Sacred Cow? Would you rather have the old cast playing their younger selves?

 

[maryh]

I won't happen. All of the principle actors have signed a three movie deal. This is of course contingent on this film doing well. If the film does well there will be more and the same actors will be able to reprise their roles. That's what Urban meant about "playing McCoy again."

What if one particular actor is despised in their role and the audience hates him/her? Do they have the option of not using this actor again and instead using somebody else for that role?

 

[number6]

I won't happen. All of the principle actors have signed a three movie deal. This is of course contingent on this film doing well. If the film does well there will be more and the same actors will be able to reprise their roles. That's what Urban meant about "playing McCoy again."

What if one particular actor is despised in their role and the audience hates him/her? Do they have the option of not using this actor again and instead using somebody else for that role?

Are you kidding?

Besides it seems from all counts that the cast had a great time and the only people who would "hate" a particular actor in a role are pedantic Trek purists who are still holding out for Shatner to make a cameo. It's already been established that Paramount couldn't give a rip about these kinds of people and frankly I couldn't care less about them either.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It would not be surprising if one or more of the cast members receives more interesting offers as a result of this movie. Pine may well be the guy who "breaks out" because of his central role in this big budget film.

IMAO the subtext of some of what he's said publicly (as well as the conversations recounted by the director of the film that he passed on to do Trek) is that "Star Trek" is a strategic career choice that he hopes may give him more independence rather than the opportunity to play "Captain Kirk" for decades.

If that's the case, getting him to do sequels may be a challenge. Assuming that these contracts are iron-clad commitments rather than options, while it's possible to make an actor do something he really resists because he's legally bound to do so it's rarely worthwhile for anyone involved.

 

[Franklin]

It would not be surprising if one or more of the cast members receives more interesting offers as a result of this movie. Pine may well be the guy who "breaks out" because of his central role in this big budget film.

IMAO the subtext of some of what he's said publicly (as well as the conversations recounted by the director of the film that he passed on to do Trek) is that "Star Trek" is a strategic career choice that he hopes may give him more independence rather than the opportunity to play "Captain Kirk" for decades.

If that's the case, getting him to do sequels may be a challenge. Assuming that these contracts are iron-clad commitments rather than options, while it's possible to make an actor do something he really resists because he's legally bound to do so it's rarely worthwhile for anyone involved.

I don't think any one of them is afraid of having these characters define them. Not in this day and age. They'll never be as wed to the characters as the original actors were. To that end, that may make them more comfortable coming back to the roles for a couple more movies. That and knowing that one or two more is probably all they'll be.

Urban and Pegg are fans, if I remember correctly. So I'd think they'd come back as a lark, if nothing else (well, the price would have to be right, too).

However, if this movie is very successful, and a breakout for Pine, I could see Pine, and maybe even Quinto, potentially price themselves out of further Trek movies. Even more than Pine, I'd think Quinto would have them by the shorthairs, since I'll bet after this movie, it would be hard to see anyone else as Spock.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

However, if this movie is very successful, and a breakout for Pine, I could see Pine, and maybe even Quinto, potentially price themselves out of further Trek movies.

Exactly. There's also the possibility of schedule conflicts if Pine is offered something different and more interesting.

Of course, if the movie cements Abrams' career success as a film director and producer he himself may well be the source of that "different and interesting" work for some of these folks - hell, even Ford at least got "Indiana Jones" out of his association with Lucas.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

It would not be surprising if one or more of the cast members receives more interesting offers as a result of this movie. Pine may well be the guy who "breaks out" because of his central role in this big budget film.

Like Brandon Routh from "Superman Returns"!

 

[Temis the Vorta]

If some of the recast actors really stink up the screen, I hope they're giving themselves the leeway to recast again.

I'm not expecting that to be a big factor. Most of them should do just fine.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It would not be surprising if one or more of the cast members receives more interesting offers as a result of this movie. Pine may well be the guy who "breaks out" because of his central role in this big budget film.

Like Brandon Routh from "Superman Returns"!

Or Christopher Reeve from "Superman" for that matter. Let's see, he played a priest, and a guy in a mystery, and Superman, and a time traveler, and Superman...and Superman...and some scientist on "Smallville," which was quite a stretch away from playing Superman.

He certainly did get non-Superman roles, but no one ever cared very much.

OTOH, if a guy as generally formless and dull but inoffensively attractive as Harrison Ford can piggyback such a huge career off of firing rayguns in a big scifi movie, Pine's got a better than even chance.

 

[shapeshifter]

If some of the recast actors really stink up the screen, I hope they're giving themselves the leeway to recast again.

I'm not expecting that to be a big factor. Most of them should do just fine.

I agree with this.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

OTOH, if a guy as generally formless and dull but inoffensively attractive as Harrison Ford can piggyback such a huge career off of firing rayguns in a big scifi movie, Pine's got a better than even chance.

Have you seen Pine's other films?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

OTOH, if a guy as generally formless and dull but inoffensively attractive as Harrison Ford can piggyback such a huge career off of firing rayguns in a big scifi movie, Pine's got a better than even chance.

Have you seen Pine's other films?

I've noticed that he's generally well-spoken of for things like "Smokin' Aces" but you know, I've seen parts of only one - the "Princess Diaries II" thing that some of us joke about. Based just on his scenes in that I don't see him running noticably behind guys like Ford or Cruise or even Pitt in terms of either talent or attractiveness (and he's certainly up to the demands of "Star Trek"). He's just at an earlier point in his career, IMAO, so we'll see what we'll see.

It's not like I'm championing Pine over Mckellen or even Heath Ledger, after all...I've seen quite a few of Ford's films over the decades and he's always struck me as the Mateus Rose of movie stars - folks will say "never a bad bottle," and that seems to be sufficient.

He ain't Cary Grant.

 

[maryh]

Are you kidding?

Besides it seems from all counts that the cast had a great time and the only people who would "hate" a particular actor in a role are pedantic Trek purists who are still holding out for Shatner to make a cameo. It's already been established that Paramount couldn't give a rip about these kinds of people and frankly I couldn't care less about them either.

Yes, but we haven't seen them act yet. I agree with all the casting and look forward to the movie, but that special chemistry or magic that existed between the TOS characters is hard to capture or define. We won't know until we see the movie if they succeed at capturing that lightening again. It is possible that one actor misses the mark despite all the efforts they have taken to cast well. If so, the audience will know and whine. In that case it would be smart to recast the ineffective actor.

 

[number6]

Are you kidding?

Besides it seems from all counts that the cast had a great time and the only people who would "hate" a particular actor in a role are pedantic Trek purists who are still holding out for Shatner to make a cameo. It's already been established that Paramount couldn't give a rip about these kinds of people and frankly I couldn't care less about them either.

Yes, but we haven't seen them act yet. I agree with all the casting and look forward to the movie, but that special chemistry or magic that existed between the TOS characters is hard to capture or define. We won't know until we see the movie if they succeed at capturing that lightening again. It is possible that one actor misses the mark despite all the efforts they have taken to cast well. If so, the audience will know and whine. In that case it would be smart to recast the ineffective actor.

I can't really see that happening. It sounds more like wishful thinking on behalf of the "fans."

 

[Beyerstein]

do you think its gonna be back in time when old spock goes to team up with young spock and young scotty

 

[EyalM]

Sacred Cow? Would you rather have the old cast playing their younger selves?

Huh? How did you get that from my post?

However, if this movie is very successful, and a breakout for Pine, I could see Pine, and maybe even Quinto, potentially price themselves out of further Trek movies.

Patrick Stweart got paid like 20 million dolars for NEM, well over his "market value". But this time around the producers can simply recast, so the actors have less leverage.