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Reasons for evolution

Sorry to derail this thread even further but if you haven't watched Stargate, Babylon 5 and Battlestar Galactica then you are doing yourself a hug disservice. These are the three best SF franchises out there besides Trek and Star Wars.

For those who are hating on the Stargate movie, when did you see it? When it came out in the 90's it was awesome. There wasn't a whole lot of other sci-fi movies out so we had to take what we could get. Sure it aged poorly compared to the huge blockbuster special effects movies now but again, special effects and budgets were limited back then.

The show took it the movie concept to another level and the actors were awesome. Jack O'Niell, Daniel, Samatha Carter and Tealc were the buddy ensemble Trek couldn't get right since TOS.

B5 had awesome special effects for its day. Way better than Trek did at the time. It was also the first sci fi show with an ongoing story arc that I know of. And it didn't interrupt it's war story with pointless Vic Fontaine holodeck episodes.

BSG is not for everyone. The drama and sex are very soap opera-esque. But it also made sci-fi shows more main stream IMO and helped make the genre more popular. Later seasons get past the sex and focus more on characters and awesome themes. It's not "let's visit another planet every week." or bumpy head alien of the week so some Trek fans may be turned off.

Since I am pooping all over this thread and someone said they don't watch much TV then I have to plug another awesome show you might have missed. IF you haven't see Stranger Things on Netflix, then if you ever listen to non-solicited advice from a stranger on the internet listen to this. Stop what you are doing, subscribe to Netflix for a month if you need to, and watch this show. Full stop.

It's not space sci-fi, but it's modern day sci-fi thriller. If you are 40 or under it's Goonies meets Stephen King in the 80's. That's all I will say.

I liked SG1. I liked SGA even more but I hated SGU.

I haven't seen B5 or BSG yet. I need to make the time for those two.
 
Is there a difference?
"Divine" implies the expectation of worship, prayer, prescribed rituals, and dogma.

Why go through all that pointless nonsense if you're just talking about aliens with advanced technology or, in the case of many cultures in our RL, mythology that gets mistaken for fact?
 
I think Stargate did a better job of explaining why so many aliens appeared human...it was because they were, or at least descended from humans.

They did, and that was going really well for a short time at the beginning. When aliens were human looking, they were actually humans, or derived from them, and when forms of life were seen that had actually evolved extra terrestrially, they generally looked different (The Goauld, for example, or the Asgard). But then the Nox happened; humans with weird hair. OK, we don't know much about them, they could be projecting an image of the humans to interact - they are after all absurdly advanced. Perhaps like the Ancients they were originally human.
But then other humanoid rubber face aliens start appearing. The Unas, then later in the show proper Star Trek foreheads in the form of alien bounty hunters. Then the sequel generated the Wraith, also humanoid (albeit with a slight hand wavey explanation). And we saw ancient Asgard that also looked very human. A shame, I wish they'd kept to the idea that humanoid life in the galaxy all came from Earth and avoided parallel evolution entirely.
 
SG1 ran for well over ten years, if you include the final movies that wrapped it all up. Once you get to a certain point you have to fall back on the established ideas of the genre to continue to draw the interest of the fans you've developed. Yes, a more complex explanation of the Nox would have been welcome, as well as the ancient Asgard looking more, for lack of a better term, godlike than mere humanoids. But drawing the interest of your viewers is one thing, while keeping it is something else entirely.

SGU was the show that was intended to call back to the idea that not every alien species looks like us with forehead bumps. And people didn't like it much. They tried to hide behind the drama of this motley crew of misfits and handful of trained professionals having to act as babysitters for the civilian scientists on a ship that no one knows how to operate, or figure out exactly where it's going, but that concept shot them in the foot at the first possible opportunity. Without at least some of the time-tested tropes of popular science fiction, it didn't work, and no one wanted to watch it.
 
Believe it, or not, I've never watched Babylon 5 - which is surprising to me, because I've always liked Bruce Boxleitner in anything I saw him in. There was a TV movie out, some years ago, where he starred as the President, whilst Jeffrey Combs starred as a terrorist with a biological weapon, of some kind.

I never watched any of the Stargate TV shows, either, because I said to myself, "let me see the movie that all this is based on, first ... and let that decide it for me, if I want to watch the rest of it, or not." Stargate is alright, for what it is - but I wasn't overly impressed.

It was a kind of a happy accident, though because that's when I discovered Mili Avital, whose slave-girl character has this awkward romance with Daniel. When her rose was in bloom, she was just about the most beautiful creature that's probably ever existed! Outside of stuff like that, I barely know anything about these shows ...
you shoild also find adromeda with kevin sorbonit was brilliant
 
Yes, I've heard of "Andromeda," but I also know that Gene Roddenberry's wife was fond of pulling ideas he'd literally thrown into the wastebasket out and storing them away, for $afe-keeping. I can tell you that when I throw away sketches, or thumbnails, or doodles, even ... they're not anywhere they don't belong to be in. If my girlfriend started fishing this stuff out and posting it on the Internet, I'd be very grumpy ...
 
Yes, I've heard of "Andromeda," but I also know that Gene Roddenberry's wife was fond of pulling ideas he'd literally thrown into the wastebasket out and storing them away, for $afe-keeping. I can tell you that when I throw away sketches, or thumbnails, or doodles, even ... they're not anywhere they don't belong to be in. If my girlfriend started fishing this stuff out and posting it on the Internet, I'd be very grumpy ...

Wouldn't it mollify you somehow, to then earn huge amounts of money because of that initiative?
 
One Man's trash is another Man's treasure, I know. But, if my good stuff wasn't selling, there's no way my refuse was going to. And if it did happen, then that would've just been a fluke. And a fluke is nice, because it's a surprise and who knows what the potential of it could be. But you can't continue on that way.

Just like how life evolved here, on Earth, was a fluke in some ways. All land vertebrates evolved from a single species. Why didn't more animals make the grade, instead of just the one? A fluke, maybe? Probably? Who knows ... but looking back on something like that, it does seem rather chancy that our existence relied so heavily on it working out that way. It makes one wonder ...
 
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