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Reading order - any pitfalls to avoid

^^ But then, the paucity of books might have more to do with the fact that the novels' appeal to the random impulsive buyer who is shopping for milk and bread has diminished to the point that the books are no longer moving off the shelves. The reason is open to speculation. :)
 
As has been established in multiple previous discussions on this board, the "paucity of books" is an apocryphal phenomenon that cannot be proven to show a universal pattern. Some stores carry fewer Trek books, others carry as many as ever. My local grocery stores still carry Trek novels routinely.

Besides, Therin's right -- there's no reason why a casual shopper scanning the covers or blurbs would get the impression that you had to read a bunch of other books to understand any given one, certainly not since Pocket dropped the numbering. Heck, even people who do follow the books should know that's a false impression, because as we've said fifty gazillion times on this board, every book is written so that it can be understood on its own.
 
^^ But then, the paucity of books might have more to do with the fact that the novels' appeal to the random impulsive buyer who is shopping for milk and bread has diminished to the point that the books are no longer moving off the shelves. The reason is open to speculation. :)

Of course it is, but there is also no new Star trek on TV at the moment - and in my experience, Star Trek's visibility on TV and the presence of ST tie-ins in shops are intrinsically linked.
 
Probably true about the popularity of the novels going up when there is a current television series, Therin.

However, telling this board a "fifty gazillion" times that novels stand alone doesn't mean the casual reader or even the reader who hasn't bought a book in awhile is aware of it. Fact is, this board is frequented by the "true readers" who are the exception to the rule, for the most part. We get the message. How do we get the message to the casual reader?

The "average" fan who might read a novel once in awhile hesitates to purchase one for fear that enjoyment of it requires familiarity with the "new" characters and current plot line established in previous books. Chances are that their hesitation has a basis in experience--they may have purchased a novel, been disillusioned or confused in the first few chapters, and put it aside--because they didn't find the characters or ships that they saw on TV or in the movies. I know many fans who have complained about that very experience and have stopped buying books. No matter how much you insist otherwise, no matter how unfair it is, that is what's happening to many readers. Honest.
 
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I understand what AuntKate is saying because I've seen this as well. I've even seen it with people who aren't fans of the series but just ask me about what I read. I mention I read Star Trek books, they start asking questions to the effect of "how many are there?" then I tell them and they assume I've read them all because they think you'd have to to understand the later ones. Then I have to go into how they're not all that connected and some are series within the bigger Star Trek "category" (for lack of a better word) etc etc etc.

I've even seen non-Star Trek fans (some who are actually interested in becoming Trek fans) who think this about the TV series. They think they can't go watch say Voyager, because they have never seen say TOS or TNG . It is merely the fact that these properties all say "Star Trek" on them that they think (and logically so) that they are all connected and take place in the same universe. And while we know that they are connected in so far as they are all Star Trek, they are not connected in such a way that the later ones suffer from "need to know syndrome" in order to get into them. I've seen this with every series that isn't Star Trek as well.

I'd also like to point out that while it may be the goal of each book not to require knowledge of a previous book, sometimes that goal is not accomplished. Sure, most of the time it works out this way, but there are times where it does not.
 
^^Hm... I guess it's just a product of the times, then. Audiences have gotten so used to serialized storytelling on TV that they've come to see it as a default. A generation or two ago, it would've been very different -- aside from soap operas and some comic books, most series people were familiar with would've been episodic and not at all continuity-dependent.
 
However, telling this board a "fifty gazillion" times that novels stand alone doesn't mean the casual reader or even the reader who hasn't bought a book in awhile is aware of it. Fact is, this board is frequented by the "true readers" who are the exception to the rule, for the most part. We get the message. How do we get the message to the casual reader?

Casual ST fans would likely pick up a copy of Titan's ST magazine - and there is always a good coverage of the latest ST novels in there, often with illustrated excerpts and then reviews of the latest batch.

The "average" fan who might read a novel once in awhile hesitates to purchase one for fear that enjoyment of it requires familiarity with the "new" characters and current plot line established in previous books.
But this is not new, by any means. When the wonderful novelization of ST III came out, I told many, many ST friends about it.

"Why would you want to read a book about the search for Spock when the movie is coming in a few weeks?" they asked.

"But the book has all these extra scenes and characters that won't be in the movie!" I said gleefully.

"If it's not really in the movie, why would I want to read it?"

Sigh.

And they continued to refuse to read it even after the movie came out, and they had burning questions about aspects of what was on screen. (eg. "Where was Amanda?")

Chances are that their hesitation has a basis in experience--they may have purchased a novel, been disillusioned or confused in the first few chapters, and put it aside--because they didn't find the characters or ships that they saw on TV or in the movies.
That would only apply to... um? I can't think of any Star Trek novels that have no TV characters in them. Maybe "Andor: Paradigm", which has a brief Nog cameo - but the whole novel is about Andor, a planet whose aliens we know from TOS, TAS, TNG and ENT! And it comes in the same book as "Cardassia: The Lotus Flower", which is all about the O'Briens (of TNG and DS9 fame).

Sure, there are numerous ST novels that start out on a new alien planet, and it takes several chapters until Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway or Archer does a log entry, but the same goes for many canonical ST episodes. And movies.

You could also say that fans are shunning ST novels because they are thicker than the old days and have, on average, higher word counts. Or have less starships on the covers than Bantam novels. Or are more expensive. Or are no longer numbered. Or don't come with free bookmarks.

I know many fans who have complained about that very experience and have stopped buying books. No matter how much you insist otherwise, no matter how unfair it is, that is what's happening to many readers. Honest.
And I've been around ST fans since December 1979 - and they were saying it then! I've ran ST clubs, been MC at ST conventions, written columns about ST comics and novels, written for and published fanzines... and there have always been pockets of fans who get tired of some aspect of ST, hate something (or some character) outright, or refuse to buy and read tie-ins.

There is still a situation where more ST fans are buying ST novels in 2007 than there were in 1980, though. Just maybe not as many now as around the time between ST's 20th and 25th anniversaries, when ST fandom hit its peak. But that's not the fault of the current novels or editorial policies.
 
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That would only apply to... um? I can't think of any Star Trek novels that have no TV characters in them. Maybe "Andor: Paradigm", which has a brief Nog cameo - but the whole novel is about Andor, a planet whose aliens we know from TOS, TAS, TNG and ENT! And it comes in the same book as "Cardassia: The Lotus Flower", which is all about the O'Briens (of TNG and DS9 fame).
To be fair, if you pick up a Corps of Engineers novel and you're only a "casual" fan, you're not fairly likely to know who most of the canonical characters in there are. They're not exactly big names.

Do the later Vanguard novels feature any canonical characters?
 
To be fair, if you pick up a Corps of Engineers novel and you're only a "casual" fan, you're not fairly likely to know who most of the canonical characters in there are. They're not exactly big names.
Yeah, Montgomery Scott and Jean-Luc Picard and William Ross are incredibly obscure... ;)

As it happens, there are only three eBooks that have no onscreen characters in them: Age of Unreason, Balance of Nature, and Distant Early Warning. Having said that, Steve's greater point is well taken -- while there are guest appearances by the likes of the three I mentioned above, the regulars who are screen characters only appeared in one episode (Duffy, Lense, Stevens, Sarjenka) or two (Gomez).
 
To be fair, if you pick up a Corps of Engineers novel and you're only a "casual" fan, you're not fairly likely to know who most of the canonical characters in there are. They're not exactly big names.

If you're that much of a casual fan, you might not be likely to pick up a hardcopy of CoE. You'd be more likely to pick up a movie novelization, a Shatnerverse novel (with "William Shatner" emblazoned across the top half of the book) or something with Data and Picard on the front.

No one ever said the new series of Pocket novels are aimed at casual ST fans, anyway, but AuntKate seems to be suggesting that too many people she knows are giving up on all ST novels - and that shops are refusing to stock them - because there seems to be a public perception out there that the whole mess of 'em are now so interrelated and obscure as to be inaccessible, even to serious fans. (Which I guess is the old Richard Arnold reasoning of 1989, and his fear for the future of ST tie-ins, leading to "that memo" coming out of Gene Roddenberry's Office.)

Do the later Vanguard novels feature any canonical characters?
Dr M'Benga's still there. Sure, an obscure character if you are only a casual viewer of TOS, but certainly a significant character if you are an avid TOS fan, but only a casual reader of ST tie-ins.
 
Spoilers in post (where is the new spoiler code button I can't find it?)







How much of the last Vanguard book was in? I remember her being it it, but I don't remember how much of a role she played.
**Spoiler text added added later
 
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Oh, is that supposed to be an X? I thought it represented the smiley puckering up for some reason, like maybe to say "shh" or to keep itself from speaking.

It would help if this BBS had tooltips. I hover my mouse over those symbols and I get nothing. I still don't know what all the symbols represent. Is there an instructions page somewhere?
 
Well, then the software needs to be made more Opera-compatible.

I'm using Opera 9.26 on Windows Vista Business x64 and I get the tooltips when I mouseover icons except on the actual reply page where all the formatting options are. Is that the same case for you?
 
Hi again. Sorry to revive this thread, but I'm up to Genesis Wave Book 1 now. Without giving anything away, might it be best to read all three Genesis Wave books AND Genesis Force back to back or is there any reason I should wait to catch up on the books published in between those? Also, what's the correct order for the Section 31 series?

By the way, last week I read The Valiant and decided to deviate from publishing order to read all the other six Stargazer novels back to back. I'm glad I did that because they all fit together nicely and I probably would have gotten a little fuzzy on some of the character details if I had read other books in between them.

Thanks!
 
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