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Reading Marathon: The Typhon Pact... and Beyond!

The next few things coming up: Michael Moorcock's Doctor Who novel
It thought it was great and mad, which is not a common opinion in fandom, AIUI. I can see this happening within Series 5, and I know how, and it makes Series 5, which I already love, even better. One either gets the vibe or they don't, and I got the vibe right away.

I still have the ARC of the book on my shelf, with pages that are labeled "ILLUSTRATION #," which I guess was the plan at some point. There were to be six, and the copyright page indicates they were to be by Mike Collins. I wonder what happened to them.
 
I made a graph of when all the books I read take place versus when they were published. (Roughly; obviously some of the books cover longer time spans, so I would pick the month where it seemed the book was most centered.)
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It's interesting, the early Typhon Pact books and other ones released around the same time move everything along quite quickly; we cover about four years of story time in less than two years of publication time.

But then we hit late 2385 and everything switches. It takes over three years of publication time to get through six months of story time! Eventually things start moving forward again but never quickly.

The Hobus supernova in 2387 is like the time barrier that the Time Trapper erected to stop the Legion of Super-Heroes from following him into the future; you can go right up to it but never past it.

In terms of the practical effect of this, it's also interesting. I did often comment that there was a disjunction between what the characters had technically lived and what you felt they lived; certainly stuff like the rapid movement through time early on contributed to that. (For example, Dina Elfiki served on the Enterprise-E for seven years... but she still always felt like a newcomer. Or (I think) O'Brien lived on Cardassia as long as he lived on DS9!) You just felt like you were getting these occasional snapshots of, say, the Titan crew, not the continuous story of them like you did across the series's first five or six novels.

The slow crawl was better for that kind of stuff but also had its issues, I think, though probably moreso if you were reading these books as they came out (unlike me).
 
I made a graph of when all the books I read take place versus when they were published. (Roughly; obviously some of the books cover longer time spans, so I would pick the month where it seemed the book was most centered.)
typhon.PNG

It's interesting, the early Typhon Pact books and other ones released around the same time move everything along quite quickly; we cover about four years of story time in less than two years of publication time.

But then we hit late 2385 and everything switches. It takes over three years of publication time to get through six months of story time! Eventually things start moving forward again but never quickly.

Yeah, I remember finding it weird that the books were rushing forward so quickly in the early 2010s, because it was up in the air whether the books would be allowed to do anything connected to the 2387 supernova. It seemed to me it would've been a better choice to advance more gradually, like the way the post-DS9 novels took about four years to cover 2376. But they were already up to late 2385 by the time they hit the brakes.


The Hobus supernova in 2387

Can we please stop calling it that? Hobus was a non-canonical (and silly) name invented by IDW Comics. Canonically, it was Romulus's star that went supernova.
 
Considering that there are almost 100 towns and locations here in the Pacific Northwest derived from Native American words and phrases, "Hobus" sounds quaint.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? It's their land that we stole from them, so why the hell shouldn't their names be used? I'm talking about a name made up for fiction, so it's fair to criticize it. Complaining about actual names from different languages is an entirely different and entirely unacceptable thing.

Do you have a preferred term for the 2387 disaster?

Well, obviously we now know it's the supernova of Romulus's star. Personal preference should have no bearing; only the facts should matter. The name Hobus was never a fact, just a conjecture of a tie-in. Too many people forgot that even before Picard, and it's inexplicable that they keep using the name now, more than five years after it was debunked by canon.
 
What the hell is that supposed to mean? It's their land that we stole from them, so why the hell shouldn't their names be used? I'm talking about a name made up for fiction, so it's fair to criticize it. Complaining about actual names from different languages is an entirely different and entirely unacceptable thing.

Oh for fucks sake!

It means that "Hobus" does not sound "goofy" to me.

Chehalis
Chewelah
Duwamish
Enumclaw
Hoquiam
Issaquah
Mukilteo
Oosoyoos
Puyallup
Quillayute
Quinault
Semiahmoo
Sequim
Shilshole
Simikameen
Skamania
Snoqualmie
Swinomish
Tonasket
Tukwila
Umtanum
Utsalady
Wahkiakum

I've lived here 55 years. I find it amusing when out of towners struggle to pronounce our Native American words.

We take our Native American history/heritage seriously up here.

We're one of the only state's that has a dedicated task force that works in cooperation with Native American tribes to address the crisis of missing and murdered indigenous women. It's considered a role model for the rest of the nation.
 
Okay, I apologize. But it was a bizarre non sequitur. I mean, "Hobus" doesn't even sound remotely similar to that category of names.

Besides, since when were one person's individual tastes a counterargument to a different person's individual tastes? Nothing works that way. My opinions are my own. You can't talk me into having different reactions than I do. You could, instead, try respecting my right to disagree with you.
 
Besides, since when were one person's individual tastes a counterargument to a different person's individual tastes?

Was it a “counterargument”, or was Darren just expressing his opinion on the subject? It doesn’t seem like he’s trying to change anyone’s opinion, just discussing the topic at hand. Which is what we’re all here to do.

Do you have a preferred term for the 2387 disaster?

I vote for “the Eisn supernova”. I know, also non-canon, but… come on, it’s Diane Duane! :)

I’m sure in canon, it’s just “the Romulan supernova”.
 
My biggest complaint in the later days of the First Splinter timeline was absolutely that it felt like there was more focus on the events rather than the characters. I mean, I can understand it on an intellectual level - as time went on, the publication slots slimmed down (just as examples, Avatar was released in the "two books per month" period, Destiny was when there was only one per month, and then I think it was shortly after The Fall that things started trickling down to four or five a year), so there was more of a sense of making the visits to this time frame more "special."

But I know that was definitely at the detriment of the idea of getting "the continuing voyages" of each series, with the 24th century line just kinda getting slammed together, except for what started to feel like rare detours.

I mean, Dina Elfiki was mentioned above, but what about Joanna Faur, a character who joined the bridge crew of the Enterprise prior to Destiny, and yet didn't even get to feature in any significant role in the seven years she was there! Elfiki at least had a part to play in the first DTI novel, and occasionally got some banter with T'Ryssa. Faur had less than that.

Sure, it's also nature of the beast, these are tie-in novels to a TV series, but part of the fun when the DS9 novels started going in the direction of developing the universe after the series ended was getting new characters interacting with the old, coming to love these new characters alongside the existing ones. And that just kinda seemed to stop being something that was the focus of things.

It also became an issue in the storytelling because with the only real focus being these Events, they did just seem to kinda lurch from crisis to crisis without getting a chance to explore not just their internal status quo, but also even the aftermath. Like there was a whole beat of Crusher being disappointed with Picard putting her welfare over President Bacco's in the second Cold Equations novel, but that never seemed to have any follow up or exploration. Or the offhanded undoing of Geordi being a Captain of Engineering during Plagues of Night, after a whole novel of him getting to be in command of a starship.

I did genuinely love elements of the ongoing storylines. At the same time, I do think it's fair to say that a lot of the individual flavors started to be lost as we ended up with more cross-series event stories over individual entries and a focus on the plotline over characters. While I think that the worst of this showed up in the DS9 novels under DRG's pen, as I've brought up occasionally earlier up in the thread, it still seems like a problem that hit all of the core 24th century series. The only real exception to this would be Voyager, which had the benefit of operating mostly separate from the ongoing narratives after Destiny and having a wrap up separate from the others.
 
I did genuinely love elements of the ongoing storylines. At the same time, I do think it's fair to say that a lot of the individual flavors started to be lost...
In addition to the big event thing—which I agree was definitely a factor—it seemed like the individual series lost their distinct identities. By the time of Original Sin, TNG, Titan, and Deep Space Nine were all about married male starship captains with kids going on journeys of exploration in unknown areas of space! And the things that set, say, Titan apart (the interesting, diverse crew) weren't really being used in the storytelling anymore.
 
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