Dang. My brain totally didn't register that phrase. Sigh. Sorry about that, @Stevil2001 ......
Does every James Swallow Star Trek novel have a bit where someone says "down and safe" after beaming?![]()
My guess is that I am going to reach book III of Coda and decide Coda was a bad idea. But maybe I am wrong. Certainly I have my own thoughts on what a "novelverse" wrapup trilogy should have done, but we'll see.
That said, if it had to be done this way, The Ashes of Tomorrow is probably about the best it could have been done.
The most effective one is probably when you realize part of Riker's motivation is this feeling that he ought to have two kids and live in a cabin in the wilderness (Picard: "Nepenthe"); I wish the book had leaned into that more, it could have made evil Riker work.
Given how many books were referenced here, it struck me as quite pointed that the book makes sure to establish that Saavik and Spock are good friends and great colleagues and no more, contradicting Vulcan's Heart and Vulcan's Soul, even though those books have been previously referenced by other Destiny-era books.
Endalla being destroyed in gory detail without a single reference to the "what's up with Endalla" plotline that ran through DRG3's DS9 novels interminably just feels like trolling.
Interesting! I did try to read it with that in mind, but there was some specific wording that made me think it was unlikely.IIRC, the aim was to thread the needle, so it could be read that they're a lightly-estranged married couple that have been apart for years for people familiar with Vulcan's Soul, while also not being that for people who aren't fond of that particular relationship, but I see how not specifying either makes it look like it's definitely the latter.
If there's a hundred people annoyed we never found out what the deal was with that damn moon, I'm one of them. If there's one person, then it's me. If there's no one who still wants some pay-off for Endalla, I'm dead.
I ordered this book at work... and then got it about two weeks before the on-sale date. I blitzed through it in about five hours -- it was gripping -- and when the thing with Nog happened...Nog dies—but he dies saving Jake.
It must be in the next book.Has there been a da Vinci reference in this series? I haven't noticed one yet.
We would all be shocked if you did anything else.My guess is that I am going to reach book III of Coda and decide Coda was a bad idea.
This is why I end up DNFing so many tie-in fiction books. I buy it because I'm interested in reading stories about characters I have grown to love via their TV show, but if the story isn't good enough to keep me going, I'm done. The good news is that I have at least 50 Trek novels that I've bought over the last two years that have been sale, so I feel less bad DNFing a book I only paid $1.99 or $2.99 for than one I paid $20 or more for.The reason is, of course, that no offense to the writers, but you're not there for the writers. People largely don't consume tie-in fiction because they care about who writes it. They consume tie-in fiction because they like the characters from tv and want to know what happens to them next. I may feel fairly certain I might not enjoy the next Matt Fitton audio drama featuring the eighth Doctor... but if the eighth Doctor is my favorite Doctor, I'm hardly going to listen to all sixteen parts of Doom Coalition but not parts 1, 8, 10-11, and 14-15, am I? I want to know what happens to the Doctor and Liv and Helen, even if I have to listen to a bunch of scripts by a writer I don't like to do it.
The thing about tie-in novels is that I never DNF them because you can read a Star Trek book in two days; by the time I realize it's not clicking, I'm typically three-quarters done, so why give up? Original fiction is a different beast. A bad sf doorstopper is a whole week you could have spent reading something else!This is why I end up DNFing so many tie-in fiction books. I buy it because I'm interested in reading stories about characters I have grown to love via their TV show, but if the story isn't good enough to keep me going, I'm done. The good news is that I have at least 50 Trek novels that I've bought over the last two years that have been sale, so I feel less bad DNFing a book I only paid $1.99 or $2.99 for than one I paid $20 or more for.
Tie-in fiction is a weird animal. One tie in book that did surprise this year was the sequel to the original V miniseries by the guy that wrote the original miniseries. He wouldn't put his name on the sequel miniseries, and he wrote a book about how he'd like the story to end. I finished the book out of curiosity, but I didn't much care for it. However, I also binge watched all of the Alien Nation, and it's movies by the same writer. And I enjoyed all of them.
What I'm learning is that I actually prefer tie-in short stories and novellas. I'm less likely to not finish, and I get to enjoy a good story. I really enjoyed the fiction coming out of that new Trek magazine that ended.
Anyway, I'm enjoying reading your reviews, and I'm building up a Trek TBR based on it. And for Big Finish, there is so much on Spotify these days that I'm not buying anymore.
Does every James Swallow Star Trek novel have a bit where someone says "down and safe" after beaming?![]()
I don't really get what was up with the "René gets old" subplot now that we've got to the end of the trilogy. Like, what did it add?
Maybe because otherwise we have to read how a little kid dies?
I think of New Frontier as beginning the novelverse but not a part of it, if that makes sense. It showed that "original to novels" material on an ongoing basis, with its own continuity, would work with readers and the marketplace, but it was also such a unique vision that it was Peter David's playground in its own Klein bottle, not unlike the bottle universe in Lawrence Miles' Dead Romance. The Calhoun and Mirror Calhoun we saw in Novelverse works was like PAD Calhoun, and they had many similar adventures, but they weren't the same, and while the First Splinter is gone, there are threads in the multiverse where PAD's New Frontier continues to exist and the Shatnerverse continues to exist.If you were a fan of New Frontier (the series that really began the novelverse in any meaningful sense, I would argue), you just get a mention of the mirror Calhoun.
That didn’t help Natasha.
At that point, the most recent books were Control/Hearts and Minds, which I actually got to in December 2024, some five years after my prediction. Only a little bit off!Now, finally, I'm going to start tackling that list. Forumgoers may be familiar with my Deep Space Nine reread, and I'm going to take a similar format here, writing up my general thoughts on each novel, plus other random ideas as may occur to me. So that I don't drown in Star Trek novels, I'm going to do them in batches of five in chronological order: read five, then do some other books, then do five more, and so on. I did something similar to this for Star Wars: The New Jedi Order, and it took me nineteen months to get through 34 books, so I anticipate that this will take me something on the order of 30 months, so I guess I can look forward to wrapping up in December 2019. By which time there will be even more books!
I actually read Collateral Damage in July 2025.There are currently 58 books in my Destiny-era reading list; The Poisoned Chalice is #29, meaning I am now exactly halfway! I read #1, The Original Series: From History's Shadow, in June 2017, meaning I might hope to read #58, The Next Generation: Collateral Damage in March 2024!
I beat that by a whole year!Happy sixth anniversary to this thread... a thread I originally estimated would wrap up in two-and-a-half years! Good thing Picard came along and destroyed the Destiny timeline because otherwise I probably never would have caught up. At my established rate, I estimate Coda, Book III in August 2026!
By May 2024, though, I'd grown less optimistic, the completion date creeping out a little:BOOKS REMAINING: 16
ESTIMATED DATE OF NEXT BATCH: March 2024
ESTIMATED DATE OF COMPLETION: July 2025
December 2024 brought things in a little closer, only one month later than I actually finished:BOOKS REMAINING: 11
ESTIMATED DATE OF NEXT BATCH: January 2025
ESTIMATED DATE OF COMPLETION: November 2025
Which was also true of my most recent estimate.BOOKS REMAINING: 6
ESTIMATED DATE OF NEXT BATCH: July 2025
ESTIMATED DATE OF COMPLETION: September 2025
I have a very complicated system for picking things off my 682-item reading list; one of the slots I rotate through is (basically) "'recent' releases," which is mostly tie-ins that have piled up. I look forward to finally getting to read something else in this slot! (The next few things coming up: Michael Moorcock's Doctor Who novel, a bunch of The Clone Wars tie-ins, and then the "Kelvin timeline" novels and comic books.)BOOKS REMAINING: 1
ESTIMATED DATE OF NEXT BATCH: March 2026
ESTIMATED DATE OF COMPLETION: September 2025
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