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Re-Watching DS9

At long last, continuing on with review of the second season of B5 beyond just the raw numbers.

Babylon 5 -- The Entire Second Season

Unlike with the first season, I didn't change any of my ratings while going through the second season again. I definitely think the second season is shaped the series up into something that looked like something much larger in scale than the first season did, but it doesn't change my liking the first season as much as I did. Season 1's goals and Season 2's goals were just different. I feel like the first season's just was to acclimate viewers to the universe of Babylon 5.

DS9 had the benefit of starting off on top of what the Star Trek universe had been previously built up with three seasons of TOS, six movies, and over five seasons of TNG. Babylon 5 had to introduce us to everything and build everything up entirely from scratch. So, no, I wouldn't have wanted the first season to have been more like the second. We couldn't have had something like the Season 2, it wouldn't have been as effective, without us having a chance to get to know the characters and the settings a little in Season 1.

And with that out of the way, I love what B5 was able to do with Season 2. Corruption is everywhere! The Earth Government is corrupt. With a power imbalance favoring the warrior caste, the Minbari are corrupt. The Centauri are corrupt. With help from the Shadows, the Centauri-Narn War was over in a flash and the Narn are now occupied. Kosh, Delenn, and Sheridan have to make sure the Shadows don't know that they know about them. Then there's Babylon 5's mission statement, which was turned upside down. It used to be the last best hope for peace and now, as Ivanova said at the very end, "Sometimes peace is another word for surrender." Sheridan is fighting corruption at every turn, whereas Londo is giving into corruption at every turn.

I also now feel like I have a much better sense of Earth in this season. Corruption is everywhere! The Earth Government increasing wants to use Babylon 5 as a military base instead of a diplomatic base. General Hage recruits Sheridan to start working underground to retake Earth from corruption, since hey believe there was a conspiracy behind President Santiago's death and President Clark might have had something to do with it, even if they can't prove it. "All Alone in the Night" was a major turning point. When Sheridan brings Ivanova, Garibaldi, and Franklin in on what's going on, that's when they became a real team, a real unit beyond just what their duties are to Babylon 5. Sheridan in turn recruits Ivanova, Garibaldi, and Franklin. Shortly after this episode, Nightwatch begins to appear, and you can immediately tell this will lead to more friction between Earth and the command crew of Babylon 5.

Now for a quick rundown of the main characters.

Sheridan: The switch from Sinclair to Sheridan was handled as best as could be under the circumstances. I warmed up to Sheridan within a few episodes. The message Sinclair sent to Garibaldi reassured us he was still out there. And also helped with the transition. By the middle of the season, Sheridan has a good enough feel for his command crew that he lets them in on everything that he has going on behind-the-scenes. Which makes Ivanova's promotion make more sense. More on that in a bit.

I love how much Sheridan is nothing like the image the higher-ups have of him, since he's notorious for being "Starkiller". To quote General Hage, "You're not a jarhead, but your reputation makes you look like one!" In any other series, Sheridan would insist or try to prove he isn't. Here, they go along with the image since it keeps Sheridan on Babylon 5. It's an effective way to break normal storytelling convention in a way that makes sense for the series. The Minbari think of Sheridan as their blood enemy, especially at first. Which makes the blossoming romance between Sheridan and Delenn so amazing. If the Minbari warrior caste ever finds out, it'll make them think of Delenn as even more of an outcast!

Ivanova: I understand that Sheridan putting her in charge of all the silly nonsense that Sinclair used to deal with allows him to focus on the Bigger Picture, but it also means that Ivanova gets stuck with all the silly stuff. The most solid material for Ivanova this season was having to privately admit that she's a latent telepath and that's why she didn't want Psi Corp ever reading her mind. Another highlight for her was standing put to Nightwatch when they try to bribe her with faster promotions if she works for them. She puts her foot down and says she'll work her way up the chain of command the honest way, even if it takes more time. She doesn't want to be exploited by anyone. Not by Psi Corp and not by Nightwatch.

Londo: If there's any character who keeps digging himself in deeper and deeper, it's him. Either because of his own ambition, what Morden enables him to be able to accomplish, what type of strings Lord Refa wants him pull, or all three. An empowered and emboldened Londo strips G'Kar of his ambassadorial status after the end of the Narn-Centauri conflict. And every working relationship Londo had on Babylon 5 goes South overnight. He's turned into the enemy in our midsts. In a way, I miss the purely comic relief Londo from Season 1, but I find the evil-turned-more-evil Londo from Season 2 more compelling. The most telling piece of dialogue comes from the end of "Knives". Londo says he wants to go to sleep. Which is symbolic of him still being able to sleep at night even after everything he's done.

G'Kar: The most amazing thing the second season did, that the first season did, was make the Narn look very sympathetic. And it managed to G'Kar look like someone standing up for a greater cause: the freedom of the Narn from the oppression of the Centauri. That's something I never would've been able to picture while I was watching "The Gathering". We've come a long, long, long way from the days of when Sinclair fooled G'Kar into thinking he swallowed a tracker, just for comic relief. Any sense of comic relief between G'Kar and Londo also disappeared after this season, where petty bickering took a turn for something much more deadly, much more serious, and Londo was out for blood. Figuratively and literally. This season really put me on G'Kar's side. When Vir tries to tell G'Kar he's sorry, it's just not enough. After all the Narn who were killed by the Centauri, all he can say is "Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead!"

Delenn: After coming out of her metamorphosis, she looks part-Human, part-Minbari. She's meeting Humans and Minbari half-way exactly. Delenn becomes the character exploring Humanity. If this were Star Trek, that's where it would stop. But, through Delenn, Sheridan is also exploring more about the Minbari. I also liked seeing that Delenn and Kosh are worried about the Shadows. These two Ambassadors are looking at things on a whole other level. They're looking at the threat the Shadows represent. As opposed to Londo who embraces the Shadows and G'Kar who's in the dark. I wasn't surprised at all when Delenn was dismissed from the Grey Council for having turned into a half-breed.

Garibaldi: He started off the season in Medlab, recovering, being disoriented by the Sinclair-to-Sheridan switch, and then doing a lot of soul searching to see if he still wanted to be Chief of Security before deciding he does. After that first batch of episodes, he was mostly just the Chief of Security and not much else. This wasn't really a Garibaldi Season for most of S2. He's mostly just there to fill his role. Nothing wrong with that, but he hope he gets some meatier material in Season 3.

Talia: A perfect of someone who justifies Ivanova's paranoia about Psi Corp. Talia seems trustworthy but her loyalty to Psi Corp is a problem because of things even Talia doesn't know about. It's really tragic what happens to her. She begins to distance herself from Psi Corp, but they take her back with a vengeance by essentially turning her into someone else. Would've been interesting to see how the Ivanova/Talia relationship would've developed if they hadn't written her out.

Franklin: Still committed to his own ethical code, still determined to do what's right, and still willing to do things underground to do good even if the higher-ups won't let him. In other words, Franklin's still reliably doing what Franklin does. Nice to see his father, how they're different, and the baseline ways they're similar in terms of dedication to their duty.

Keffer: Except for "GROPOS" and "The Fall of Night", Keffer was useless. His primary purpose was to be killed by the Shadows and grab a snapshot of him on his way out. His greatest contribution to the series was to be cannon fodder.

Vir & Lennier: Good to see more to both of their characters and how they aide their respective Ambassadors. Having that scene with them at the bar at the end of the season comparing notes was gold.

Kosh: He's starting to feel more like a character now than just a plot device.

Bester: Not a main character but I'm including him anyway. Still an asshole! How much the Babylon 5 crew has to hide from him now shows much the series has evolved and how much has been built up over the course of just two seasons.

Looking forward to Season 3!
All I'm going to say is the best is yet to come.


Regarding Keffer...

He was a character that was basically forced on to B5 by the studio. JMS really does not like 'hot shot pilot' type characters, so he was eager to get rid of him. (Which is pretty clear when you look at how little he was actually in during the season.) But at least he was able to use him for that final bit in "THE FALL OF NIGHT".
 
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All I'm going to say is the best is yet to come.


Regarding Keffer...

He was a character that was basically forced on to B5 by the studio. JMS really does not like 'hot shot pilot' type characters, so he was eager to get rid of him. (Which is pretty clear when you look at how little he was actually in during the season.) But at least he was able to use him for that final bit in "THE FALL OF NIGHT".
On the one hand, I get why the whole thing must have been aggravating for JMS. On the other hand, I think he kind of handled the situation in a petty way by minimizing Keffer and then getting him killed off as quickly as he probably could, instead of taking this adverse situation and trying to make the best of it.
 
I'm putting on "Rejoined" tonight. Unless something happens, I'll post my review of it tomorrow. But, first off, some thoughts about it in general. The kiss between Jadzia Dax and Lenara Kahn was the first time I'd ever seen a same-sex romantic kiss. Television or otherwise. Even though it happened on other shows or especially movies by this point, I hadn't seen them. Those weren't the types of things my mother would've let me watch, regardless. (Hold onto that thought.) I'm sure it happened in my high school, but I didn't see anything until college, which I wasn't in yet. I'm not straight, though I didn't come out about this until my 30s, I swing both ways. I found this out when I was 14 and had a crush on a guy. Not that I was going to dare tell anyone about that. This episode came out when I was 16. So, to finally see a same-sex kiss was interesting for me. Other than actually seeing it, I didn't think it was a big deal.

But apparently it was a Big Deal to other people. Namely my parents. My father didn't think it was appropriate. My mother, well, she really didn't like it. She thought it was horrible they had a same-sex kiss and in Star Trek of all places. They didn't like it. Though, in retrospect, I have to wonder: if they didn't approve of it, why did they let my brother and I watch the whole episode? I wonder if it was more they didn't like it, or they just didn't want me watching it? "Not our kid! Not our son!" I had very strict parents. My mother wouldn't really let me do anything. And she had a very old-fashioned, conservative view of things. And, given how strongly they seemed to feel about it, I wasn't going to say anything.

Then there was Star Trek Communicator. A fan magazine that I used to buy. I think it was Star Trek Communicator anyway. It's been 30 years, I could be wrong. In one of the letter columns, a fan commented on the episode saying he used to think, "There's no such thing as a bad Star Trek episode, only some that aren't as good as others." Then he said that this was a bad episode.

I wasn't online yet. This was six months before I had the Internet. I remember thinking the episode was fine, but everyone around me was only focusing on that one thing. The kiss. I have to wonder what the real-time reaction was like online. By the time I came online in May 1996, the conversation had already moved onto what was going on at the end of the season.

I feel like it was the '90s version of the Kirk/Uhura "first interracial kiss!" in "Plato's Stepchildren". Even though I've read on here it wasn't the first interracial kiss and I'm assuming if you were watching Star Trek in 1968, you probably didn't care about interracial kissing. But I don't know. I wasn't around in 1968, so I don't know if people really did make a big deal about it. I was around in 1995, and I know some people made a big deal about same-sex kissing in "Rejoined". If the current Culture War culture existed back then, someone probably would've screamed, "They made DS9 woke!"

Just wanted to get all of these thoughts about there, before I watch and review the actual episode itself. Where I hope to focus on everything else besides just "The Kiss!"
 
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"Rejoined"

This is a perfect example of using science-fiction as an allegory. Showing two Trills, Dax and Kahn, who had a relationship through previous hosts who were the opposite gender but now have hosts that are the same gender and are meeting for the first time since Dax's earlier host died and had made a widow out of Kahn's earlier host. In the 24th Century, people don't care if anyone's involved in a same-sex relationship, even though it hadn't been depicted in Star Trek as of 1995. But the late-20th Century allegory comes with Trill society's taboo against reconnecting with family from a previous host's life or resuming romantic relationships of a previous' hosts. So, the relationship between Jadzia Dax and Lenara Kahn becomes a taboo. For the Trill it's a taboo for one reason. For less open-minded people either 30 years ago or today, it's a taboo for another reason.

It's pretty clear that Dax and Kahn still have feelings for each other. They hit it off well, a little too well, because Lenara's brother and another associate are very suspicious whenever Dax and Kahn are together. What makes it tragic is that Jadzia Dax and Lenara Kahn have more in common than the previous Dax and Kahns did. I could see it, and I could buy into it. When they finally get up to the kiss, it feels so natural.

The question becomes whether or not they're willing to throw everything away to be with each other. Kahn's the less impulsive one than Dax. Sisko tells Dax what she doesn't want to hear. That she has to respect Trill society. Ultimately neither Dax nor Kahn are prepared to go to be cast out by Trill society, which makes the end sad and painful to watch.

The interesting choice made by this episode is that it doesn't seek to challenge Trill society or advocate for change. It chooses to very reluctantly abide by Trill society's rules. Star Trek itself was in a similar situation. After this episode, we don't see a serious same-sex relationship in Star Trek again until Discovery. 22 years and three series later. That's a shame.

Two other characters who had some growth in this episode were Bashir and Worf.

Bashir was the good friend, the chaperone when Dax went to see Kahn in the Promenade. It shows how far Dax and Bashir's friendship has come in the past four seasons that Dax would trust him with being there for here with this, and Bashir is willing to sit through nothing but Dax and Kahn reminiscing for hours on end.

This was the first episode where we see Worf in command of the Defiant. The only time I remember Worf being in command of the Enterprise was all the way back in "Encounter at Farpoint". After that, nothing else in TNG that I recall. And no, "Conundrum" -- where the crew loses their memories -- doesn't count! The closest we get is Worf being Data's First Officer in "Gambit". So, nice to see Worf in command again. It might be a science mission, but you have to start somewhere!

One more thing with Dax and Kahn. Interesting that Kahn thinks she probably wouldn't have liked Curzon Dax. And a lot of Jadzia Dax's brashness comes from Curzon. I have to wonder how much Lenara Kahn would've liked Jadzia Dax's brashness over time, if they'd decided to commit to having a relationship of their own. I imagine eventually Dax would've done something that would've gone too far for Kahn's liking, whatever it would've been.

If this episode had been in HD and in a 16:9 aspect ratio, it would feel completely modern. For its ambition alone, I give it a 10.

The fourth season of Deep Space Nine. Except for "Hippocratic Oath", it's been all 9s and 10s so far. This has to be not only one of the best seasons of DS9, but one of the best seasons of Star Trek. No, it's not too early for me to say that, because I remember enough to know what comes up next. Great to be able to enjoy the ride again!

NEXT UP: The first episode of Babylon 5 Season 3.
 
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I really like the episode, but it also meant a lot to me when What We Left Behind acknowledged that the series could have done a better job addressing LGBTQ+ issues. I was reallly impressed when I met Ira Behr at the NYC premiere and he was very open about that as well. In fact, I have a signed poster from him with a comment to that effect, which is probably one of my most prized possessions.
 
I really like the episode, but it also meant a lot to me when What We Left Behind acknowledged that the series could have done a better job addressing LGBTQ+ issues. I was reallly impressed when I met Ira Behr at the NYC premiere and he was very open about that as well. In fact, I have a signed poster from him with a comment to that effect, which is probably one of my most prized possessions.
I would love to one day meet Ira Steven Behr. I'm rather jealous you got to meet him... and get an autograph.


(I do wish more writers/producers would get to come to events DragonCon. Meeting 480 people... and only 3 were writers.)
 
I would love to one day meet Ira Steven Behr. I'm rather jealous you got to meet him... and get an autograph.


(I do wish more writers/producers would get to come to events DragonCon. Meeting 480 people... and only 3 were writers.)
And a photo. :p

He was pretty cool to meet in person. I've also been in the presence of William Shatner, but no direct interaction.

I don't know how much of it was good PR and how much was genuine feeling, but he really did seem to regret DS9 not doing more on that front.

I go to two or three smaller (under 2K people) sci-fi conventions in the northeast regularly, and as an editor-writer I often run a panel, and more often than not my panel is the only writing panel. :|
 
I met Rene Auberjonois and Marina Sirtis at a convention in 1996. This was right around the time DS9's fifth season started. He was talking about how Odo was a solid now and asked the audience, "How long do you think that's going to last?!" Wink-wink, nudge-nudge.

I saw William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy at a convention in 1997. Nothing to talk about regarding them. But, when I was looking around for stuff to buy, I found a Borg T-shirt. I brought it to my father to ask him to pay for it, then he looks at me, notices I'm away from the stand and they didn't notice, then said, "Put it in the bag!!!" Then we just kept walking.
 
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