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Re-Watching DS9

It's Father's Day, I'm a father to a now adult, and I have said a lot in the last thirteen years about this episode. It resonates with me from my own experiences as well as those of my friends. Genetic engineering is a placeholder. It could have been anything, reflecting any difficult moral or material decisions families make.
 
It's Father's Day, I'm a father to a now adult, and I have said a lot in the last thirteen years about this episode. It resonates with me from my own experiences as well as those of my friends. Genetic engineering is a placeholder. It could have been anything, reflecting any difficult moral or material decisions families make.
Very true. Even though I'm the Adult Son and not the Father. I just had a good Father's Day with my own father. I hope everyone else had a good Father's Day as well.

I like it when episodes unintentionally line up with the right holidays.
 
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Thinking on this a bit more...

I'm likely neurodivergent. While I believe Asperger's isn't generally the term for it these days, I'd say I have a mild case of that, or whatever it's called now (I say mild having read an autobiography written by someone with it, and recognizing their atypical mannerisms within myself, though they had/have it to a much stronger degree than I (typically) do).

My father's a social worker, and when I was a kid he'd give me things that, as a kid, you think are fun activities and quizzes, but as an adult you recognize as diagnostic tools. Even Asperger's wasn't recognized when I was young, but I think my parents did know or at least suspect that I was neurodiverent.

I think that until I got into my mid-20s or so it probably did affect my social functioning, and I think sometimes it still does, and that the main reason it doesn't affect it as much these days is that I've developed adaptations over the decades, and I was lucky enough to only have a mild case in the first place.

I think about this episode and I recognize Bashir's resentment, because in a sense the person he is isn't the person he was, and his parents deprived him of the life he maybe could have had. But I also recognize that what his parents did they did at least to some degree out of love, because they were worried about him. It would be hard for me to be okay with my parents if they'd done something like send me away (IIRC my uncle was sent away at times) for treatment...I didn't even really like going to summer camp and being surrounded by strangers for two months and deprived of the things I was comfortable with, even if it was probably good for me to have those experiences. And the uncertainty would gnaw at me a lot...maybe I would have ultimately been just fine if my parents hadn't done anything, or maybe I never would have been fine.

The more unsettling idea, especially given I only have minor symptoms (usually) to begin with, is that they could have treated me without me even knowing it. Like, imagine if in the episode Bashir hadn't only been Augmented but didn't even know until the events of this episode that he'd been Augmented. I don't know how I could reconcile with my parents for never telling me about that...but again, they probably would never have told me because they didn't want me to have to bear the burden of knowing.

It may not be the most well-executed episode, especially with the Love Quadrangle or whatever element added, but it raises a lot of compelling questions to me about how one, as a parent, deals with a child who they feel is struggling, and how far parents should be willing to go to try to help their children.
 
I'm on rewatch streak with DS9 myself as well and recently watched "Dr Bashir, I presume"...

... and apart from the family issues, I wonder why Earth's rules about genetic engineering became the Federation's. Khan was Earth's problem, the Eugenics Wars were an Earth problem... and there are 100+ planets in the federation, and they all share the same point of view on genetic engineering because of Khan?

Ummm... Colonialism?

Also, in New Zealand Father's Day is the first Sunday in September.
 
"Racing Mars" (B5 S4E10)

Oh my God! Every season there's a different character I want to say "Fuck you!" to. In the second season it was Londo. In the third season it was Clark. In the fourth season it's Garibaldi.

"Look he has a God Complex! I'm starting to think everything they said about him is right." So, basically, he doesn't like that he came back from Za'ha'dum. He doesn't like the way people look up to him. I don't know. I'd think you'd want people to look up to a leader, especially since Clark can't be looked up to. And then, by the end of the episode, Garibaldi's in on bringing down Sheridan. You know Garilaldi reminds me of? Bernie Bros in the 2016 Election who turned around and voted for Trump. Yes, I knew some. I guess that would make Sheridan like Hillary Clinton, and then Garibaldi says, "I just don't trust them!" As if Clark is better. It's the same mentality. Another way in which Babylon 5 was unintentionally ahead of its time. I say all this as someone who voted for Bernie in the primaries but voted for Hillary in general election.

Sheridan sees the ISN News Story where Garibaldi and tries to talk to Garibaldi to see where all the anger and mistrust is coming from. Only for it to end in an ugly argument the first time and Garibaldi punching Sheridan the second time. You know, this bothers me. Not just because I'm on Sheridan's side, but also because it makes Garibaldi look like someone you can't depend on. Garibaldi was part of Sheridan's inner circle and now he does a 180. Garibaldi doesn't trust Sheridan? I think Garibaldi is the one who can't be trusted.

Good to see Ivanova willing to do the dirty work of reaching out to criminals to smuggle supplies and resources to Babylon 5 in exchange protection, repairs, and ample compensation. Okay, not good, but necessary given the extreme circumstances after Earth's embargo on Babylon 5.

Great opening where Ivanova makes Sheridan take a day off. Not so great that it ended up involving two incidents with Garibaldi. Also not great that, to top it all off, several Minbari are around during what's supposed to be private time for Sheridan and Delenn.

Finally, the Mars Resistance. Captain Jack was a hoot. I like the surprise that when the Resistance Fighters tried to check Franklin and Marcus' identities, the effort was sabotaged, but then there was the double-surprise of it being caught so quickly. I feel bad for Captain Jack being compromised and then feeling he had to take his life because the parasite that compromised him would come back. Franklin and Marcus initially being given fake identities as newlyweds was hilarious.

I can't wait to see what happens next. With the Resistance. With Sheridan and Delenn. With ISN's propaganda. And how Garibaldi's going to piss me off next. I give it a 9.
 
"Racing Mars" (B5 S4E10)

Oh my God! Every season there's a different character I want to say "Fuck you!" to. In the second season it was Londo. In the third season it was Clark. In the fourth season it's Garibaldi.

"Look he has a God Complex! I'm starting to think everything they said about him is right." So, basically, he doesn't like that he came back from Za'ha'dum. He doesn't like the way people look up to him. I don't know. I'd think you'd want people to look up to a leader, especially since Clark can't be looked up to. And then, by the end of the episode, Garibaldi's in on bringing down Sheridan. You know Garilaldi reminds me of? Bernie Bros in the 2016 Election who turned around and voted for Trump. Yes, I knew some. I guess that would make Sheridan like Hillary Clinton, and then Garibaldi says, "I just don't trust them!" As if Clark is better. It's the same mentality. Another way in which Babylon 5 was unintentionally ahead of its time. I say all this as someone who voted for Bernie in the primaries but voted for Hillary in general election.

Sheridan sees the ISN News Story where Garibaldi and tries to talk to Garibaldi to see where all the anger and mistrust is coming from. Only for it to end in an ugly argument the first time and Garibaldi punching Sheridan the second time. You know, this bothers me. Not just because I'm on Sheridan's side, but also because it makes Garibaldi look like someone you can't depend on. Garibaldi was part of Sheridan's inner circle and now he does a 180. Garibaldi doesn't trust Sheridan? I think Garibaldi is the one who can't be trusted.

Good to see Ivanova willing to do the dirty work of reaching out to criminals to smuggle supplies and resources to Babylon 5 in exchange protection, repairs, and ample compensation. Okay, not good, but necessary given the extreme circumstances after Earth's embargo on Babylon 5.

Great opening where Ivanova makes Sheridan take a day off. Not so great that it ended up involving two incidents with Garibaldi. Also not great that, to top it all off, several Minbari are around during what's supposed to be private time for Sheridan and Delenn.

Finally, the Mars Resistance. Captain Jack was a hoot. I like the surprise that when the Resistance Fighters tried to check Franklin and Marcus' identities, the effort was sabotaged, but then there was the double-surprise of it being caught so quickly. I feel bad for Captain Jack being compromised and then feeling he had to take his life because the parasite that compromised him would come back. Franklin and Marcus initially being given fake identities as newlyweds was hilarious.

I can't wait to see what happens next. With the Resistance. With Sheridan and Delenn. With ISN's propaganda. And how Garibaldi's going to piss me off next. I give it a 9.
 
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