Re-shooting the lost episodes...

[Christopher]

I wonder if the decision to animate the whole story means they've finally given up on trying to find the episodes of Power themselves, or they've managed to confirm the episodes are truly gone for good.

Given the timing, maybe they just wanted to do something to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Patrick Troughton's debut. I mean, that's nearly as important an anniversary as the one we had three years ago, because the introduction of "renewal" (later named regeneration) was the key to the show's longevity.

 

[diankra]

I wonder if the decision to animate the whole story means they've finally given up on trying to find the episodes of Power themselves, or they've managed to confirm the episodes are truly gone for good.

There's no way to confirm for certain that they aren't out there somewhere, but it could perhaps be seen as confirmation that all current plausible leads on those episodes have reached dead ends. (Not that there ever were many for Power, whereas Web and Enemy were found in the last place to buy them - always a possibility, it just took a lot of hard work to follow the full trail to the actual film cans).

 

[Turtletrekker]

I just ordered The Tenth Planet, which I've never seen, as a warm up.

 

[Christopher]

I just ordered The Tenth Planet, which I've never seen, as a warm up.

I saw that for the first time not too long ago (though I read the novelization decades ago). One thing I found interesting:

Spoiler

When the hints of Mondas's approach were detected, it was suggested that the Doctor already knew what was about to happen, because he remembered these events as part of history. That was something they often did with the historical stories, as far back as "Marco Polo" and as recent as "The Fires of Pompeii," but rarely before or since with the sci-fi stories set in the present or future. In those, the Doctor is usually as clueless as the audience is. But it makes sense that many events in our future would be known historical events to him. There have been a few later stories set in the future where the Doctor already knew what was coming -- "Kill the Moon" was an example -- but not that many.

 

[The Wormhole]

^^There's also Waters of Mars, which I liked that they made something from the future a "fixed event" which was not to be tampered with. Of course, then they went and made that the one fixed event that the Doctor would try to mess with.

 

[Christopher]

^^There's also Waters of Mars, which I liked that they made something from the future a "fixed event" which was not to be tampered with. Of course, then they went and made that the one fixed event that the Doctor would try to mess with.

And then as early as "Victory of the Daleks," Moffat said that the events of "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" had been erased from history by the cracks in time, which means that Adelaide would never have been inspired to become an astronaut, which means the pivotal event in humanity's colonization of space should never have happened, which pretty much makes the entirety of "The Waters of Mars" meaningless and it's just three stories later!

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

And then as early as "Victory of the Daleks," Moffat said that the events of "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" had been erased from history by the cracks in time, which means that Adelaide would never have been inspired to become an astronaut, which means the pivotal event in humanity's colonization of space should never have happened, which pretty much makes the entirety of "The Waters of Mars" meaningless and it's just three stories later!

Οne of several reason to hate that abominable episode (right on top, along wtih the pointless multi-colored Daleks).

 

[Christopher]

Οne of several reason to hate that abominable episode (right on top, along wtih the pointless multi-colored Daleks).

Actually I didn't much care for "The Waters of Mars" either.

 

[Turtletrekker]

^^There's also Waters of Mars, which I liked that they made something from the future a "fixed event" which was not to be tampered with. Of course, then they went and made that the one fixed event that the Doctor would try to mess with.

Like how it often seemed like the only times the Prime Directive was ever mentioned was when it was about to be broken.

 

[The Wormhole]

And then as early as "Victory of the Daleks," Moffat said that the events of "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" had been erased from history by the cracks in time, which means that Adelaide would never have been inspired to become an astronaut, which means the pivotal event in humanity's colonization of space should never have happened, which pretty much makes the entirety of "The Waters of Mars" meaningless and it's just three stories later!

Thing is, if the events of Stolen Earth/Journey's End had been erased, that means Tennant's aborted regeneration never happened. But according to Time of the Doctor, it did.

Presumably, anything erased by the cracks was restored when the universe rebooted in The Big Bang.

 

[Christopher]

Thing is, if the events of Stolen Earth/Journey's End had been erased, that means Tennant's aborted regeneration never happened. But according to Time of the Doctor, it did.

No, because time travelers are outside of time and unaffected by timeline changes. That's why the Doctor still remembered those events even though Amy and the rest of the world had forgotten.

 

[The Wormhole]

I still think everything got restored in The Big Bang anyway.

 

[Turtletrekker]

@The Wormhole -- that's my theory as well.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Actually I didn't much care for "The Waters of Mars" either.

Its one thing to not appreciate Waters of Mars for the awesome episode that it is. It is a whole other story to say that it basically is lesser than Victory of the Daleks, an undeniably weak story with little to no merit at all.

 

[kirk55555]

I thought that Victory of the Daleks was pretty good. Not as good as Waters of Mars, but a lot better then its reputation makes it seem.

 

[diankra]

I saw that for the first time not too long ago (though I read the novelization decades ago). One thing I found interesting:

Spoiler

When the hints of Mondas's approach were detected, it was suggested that the Doctor already knew what was about to happen, because he remembered these events as part of history. That was something they often did with the historical stories, as far back as "Marco Polo" and as recent as "The Fires of Pompeii," but rarely before or since with the sci-fi stories set in the present or future. In those, the Doctor is usually as clueless as the audience is. But it makes sense that many events in our future would be known historical events to him. There have been a few later stories set in the future where the Doctor already knew what was coming -- "Kill the Moon" was an example -- but not that many.

An unfortunate thing is that due to overruns on shooting of the actual change (recorded first) the recording of the final console room scene was rushed, with Hartnell's last lines dropped as there wouldn't have been any time for a retake.
They would have been something like (speaking to the console): "No, I can't do it. I can't, I will not give in..."
Personally, I like to assume those lines: he's scared about the change, would sooner die unchanged, and the TARDIS forces him through.

 

[Christopher]

An unfortunate thing is that due to overruns on shooting of the actual change (recorded first) the recording of the final console room scene was rushed, with Hartnell's last lines dropped as there wouldn't have been any time for a retake.
They would have been something like (speaking to the console): "No, I can't do it. I can't, I will not give in..."
Personally, I like to assume those lines: he's scared about the change, would sooner die unchanged, and the TARDIS forces him through.

Sounds a lot like "I don't want to go."

 

[Nightowl1701]

They could have always gotten John Guilor to dub that line in when they did the animated ver... nah. Best not to think along those lines.

 

[diankra]

We can always assume that the Doctor was thinking that to the TARDIS, telepathically. No need to speak when they're alone...

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

We can always assume that the Doctor was thinking that to the TARDIS, telepathically. No need to speak when they're alone...

Except the Doctor loves the sound of his own voice.