Re-booting TNG
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Maybe. We don't need to be like every other movie in Hollywood and need to be rebooted... it was essential now to bring Trek back into the picture, but it's too soon for a TNG reboot. Besides, the series is good enough to watch.
I find all the rebooting to be creatively bankrupt. I did enjoy ST09 for what it was, but no, I would not want to see TNG rebooted. I would far, far rather see another crew, on another ship, carrying Star Trek forward. Is it that hard to come up with another group of characters?
I voted yes of curiousity. Nothing is sacred. All TV and film will get recycled. I put NuTNG into likelihood around 2020-2025.
Who knows? Maybe they'll make Wesley likable and fix Troi's hair and give O'Brien a proper ranking from the start.
While I don't agree about the creative bankruptcy, I do agree with the rest of CaptainStoner's post. A new ship, a new crew. I can't see why this is asking too much of paramount. This recession/depression/whatever it is has made Hollywood very careful about what it invests in... no longer the risk taking but the sure things instead.
Who knows? Maybe they'll make Wesley likable and fix Troi's hair and give O'Brien a proper ranking from the start.
While I don't agree about the creative bankruptcy, I do agree with the rest of CaptainStoner's post. A new ship, a new crew. I can't see why this is asking too much of paramount. This recession/depression/whatever it is has made Hollywood very careful about what it invests in... no longer the risk taking but the sure things instead.
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Given the way I feel about Trek IX, I voted "Are you crazy?"
Absolutely not! It was bad enough that they rebooted (i.e. ruined) TOS. I don't want to see the same thing happen to the much better TNG.
Absolutely not! It was bad enough that they rebooted (i.e. ruined) TOS. I don't want to see the same thing happen to the much better TNG.
I think TNG is fine the way it is mow,ok last year's trek movie made a lot of $$$$,but it may not worked for a other trek reboot, i getting tired of people saying the tng or sereies on the franchise should be rebooted.
That was a bit harsh, especially considering all the creative work that goes into any film, be it a re-boot or not. For instance, the costuming, the FX, the music, the sound - none of these people have much say in whether the film itself is re-boot. And there was a lot of good work in ST09 along all those lines. I thought Quinto did an excellent job, even considering his voice is in the wrong range. (Spock = baritone in my book)
I'll revise that and say I find the constant re-booting to be lacking conceptual freshness.
No. If they must start up a new series, I want a new crew, a new ship, and maybe an entirely new premise. Actually how about just letting Trek fade away and maybe making some new quality sci-fi shows instead of endlessly rehashing the old? Nothing last forever.
Insurrection?
Anyway, I greatly enjoyed Star Trek XI, but honestly I think that TOS was crusty and cheesy and needed the facelift. I don't think that's true of any other Trek show as a whole. That, and I also want to see Trek go in a new direction. STXI re-established the characters with a new story, so I want to see the franchise boldly go where we haven't gone before.
While I love TNG, I love the idea of a re-booted TNG, the latest movie Star Trek XI does set the franchise up for this idea PERFECTLY! It would be exciting to see a new Picard tucking his shirt on the small screen! TNG birthed DS9, Voyager and Enterprise while TOS was the orginal I have always felt it should stay on the big screen.
I voted No for two reasons. One, TNG is just fine the way it is. I'm very happy to watch the seven seasons over and over again. Two, if you're going to reboot anything, reboot the original and let it take it's natural course. I didn't really feel that TOS was in need of an overhaul, and I still enjoy watching it, but I will also admit that I VERY much enjoyed STAR TREK (09) and am happy with the direction that they've taken things. That said, I'm in the camp that only the original should be tinkered with.
Yes, but only elements of it.
They should first remake TOS. If it's succesfull, make a new series, but set right after TOS era, not 78 years in the future, with a robot, a Klingon and a grumpy English guy (but who is actually English this time), a hot counselor woman who has therapeutic sex with everyone, and Cmdr. Riker, a woman.
But I don't want a new Trek series right now. Everybody would be teens and all shots shaky camera. We've arrived at a stage when the Academy concept seems the most probable scenario. Pass.
Remember when there was a new episode of TNG and Deep Space Nine every fucking week? That seems like a thousand years ago.
They should first remake TOS. If it's succesfull, make a new series, but set right after TOS era, not 78 years in the future, with a robot, a Klingon and a grumpy English guy (but who is actually English this time), a hot counselor woman who has therapeutic sex with everyone, and Cmdr. Riker, a woman.
But I don't want a new Trek series right now. Everybody would be teens and all shots shaky camera. We've arrived at a stage when the Academy concept seems the most probable scenario. Pass.
Remember when there was a new episode of TNG and Deep Space Nine every fucking week? That seems like a thousand years ago.
Personally I don't think a reboot is at all necessary. I think one can still go forward and make it work. It's a sad fact that we all have to making re-imaginings and reboots of old things rather than coming up with new ideas these days, especially considering that one should be able to come up with a multitude of new ideas in something like science fiction/fantasy!
I agree and I'll bet many posters here (and audiences all over the world) do as well... but the Hollywood fatcats and bean counters are all over the reboot thing.
Less work*, more money.
* = no investment in anything new as old ideas are recycled.
Oh, I don't think the formula changes either.
It's just, instead of something we've never seen before we get an unneeded Smurfs movie.
Executive: "We have to make a Smurfs movie."
Investor: "Why make a Smurfs movie?"
Executive: "Because no one has done anything with that franchise in years. We can pick up the license for a song and milk the shit out of it; aim it at the new kids and hit some of the 80s generation on the way."
Investor: "Where would you like the dump truck full of money?"
It's just, instead of something we've never seen before we get an unneeded Smurfs movie.
Executive: "We have to make a Smurfs movie."
Investor: "Why make a Smurfs movie?"
Executive: "Because no one has done anything with that franchise in years. We can pick up the license for a song and milk the shit out of it; aim it at the new kids and hit some of the 80s generation on the way."
Investor: "Where would you like the dump truck full of money?"
No. If they do, I'll never watch it. It's not needed.
No.
I'll admit it's odd that I think this applies more to TNG than TOS, but a lot of TNG's success was down to accidents of casting.
In the case of TOS, you had Shatner and Nimoy set up as the leads from the start, so if they'd failed it would have been in trouble. Then among the recurring cast, Kelley worked so well he became third lead, and the others all had a presence that turned them from occasionals into most-of-the-times.
If you look at early press and reviews of TNG, then you get the impression that it's going to be the Riker, Data, Wesley and (maybe) Yar show, with Picard and Troi in charge back on the bridge, Crusher in sickbay and Geordi at the helm. Worf, of course, was a late addition, and initally more like the suppoerting characters in TOS.
So, we know how it worked out: it became the Picard/Data/Worf show in a lot of ways, because of the actors more than anything else. So any reboot would start out from that point of view (unless it was so diffferent it might as well be an entirely new crew).
That does leave open why I don't think you could get the right actors to recreate the TNG characters, but did accept the last film. TO be honest, I think it's that the NG characters all got a lot more character time over the years, whereas the Abrams film built on the broadbrush chracterisations of the popular imagination - as Chris Bennett points out, Pine's Kirk is the 'brash, womanising' character of the popular imagination, not the character Shatner played in the early days of TOS.
I'll admit it's odd that I think this applies more to TNG than TOS, but a lot of TNG's success was down to accidents of casting.
In the case of TOS, you had Shatner and Nimoy set up as the leads from the start, so if they'd failed it would have been in trouble. Then among the recurring cast, Kelley worked so well he became third lead, and the others all had a presence that turned them from occasionals into most-of-the-times.
If you look at early press and reviews of TNG, then you get the impression that it's going to be the Riker, Data, Wesley and (maybe) Yar show, with Picard and Troi in charge back on the bridge, Crusher in sickbay and Geordi at the helm. Worf, of course, was a late addition, and initally more like the suppoerting characters in TOS.
So, we know how it worked out: it became the Picard/Data/Worf show in a lot of ways, because of the actors more than anything else. So any reboot would start out from that point of view (unless it was so diffferent it might as well be an entirely new crew).
That does leave open why I don't think you could get the right actors to recreate the TNG characters, but did accept the last film. TO be honest, I think it's that the NG characters all got a lot more character time over the years, whereas the Abrams film built on the broadbrush chracterisations of the popular imagination - as Chris Bennett points out, Pine's Kirk is the 'brash, womanising' character of the popular imagination, not the character Shatner played in the early days of TOS.
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