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Pretty much agree with this. The movie tried to be something more than dumb mindless drivel. I gave it a 3 because of Uhura's dance (would have been a 4 without it). I think what bothers me most about it is that they are trying to pass her off as a 25 year old, when in reality she was more than twice that.
I give it 5 stars.......its got TOS cast in it, what more is needed.
Quite right.
No stars.
It had some good aspects like the Enterprise finally having a bridge that looked like it belonged on a starship instead of that supid pre III design, the use of the shuttles, commando raid etc...
all that was let down by the story, which nobody in their right mind can excuse.
Also, why would a brand new ship be in such a sorry state? and if it was, why would they make such a crappy ship the flagship? Why not build an excelsior class ship and name it the Ent-A
I beleive in the idea that this was just a story told by Kirk around the campfire, and never happened
It had some good aspects like the Enterprise finally having a bridge that looked like it belonged on a starship instead of that supid pre III design, the use of the shuttles, commando raid etc...
all that was let down by the story, which nobody in their right mind can excuse.
Also, why would a brand new ship be in such a sorry state? and if it was, why would they make such a crappy ship the flagship? Why not build an excelsior class ship and name it the Ent-A
I beleive in the idea that this was just a story told by Kirk around the campfire, and never happened
Yep your crazy.
A religious fanatic taking the ship to meet an alien he thinks is God, but a god who is trapped on a planet....ehhh no.
It was never the flagship? Just the D then?
Good thing too, when even the captains log book, which was not in anyway coneected to the supposidly malfunctioning ship, worked
Well, he didn't think of it as an alien. Or being trapped.
In any case, I always felt the script, while flawed, was the movie script that came the closest to the original show when it comes to theme and tone. False gods and worship have always been a favorite subject of Roddenberry and I still think the idea behind it is really good. The execution of it, well, the less said about that, the better.
Agreed 100%. Glad I'm not the only one here appreciative of Nichelle Nichols, no matter what her age! For sheer fun, check out her crazy performance in a blaxploitation movie called "Truck Turner" with Isaac Hayes. She plays a foul-mouthed Madame. -- RR
2 stars. The character bits earn it that much, but the premise is almost totally unworkable.
I finally got it on DVD about a year and a half ago. I watched it through and thought it was better than I give it credit for. However, rewatching with the audio commentary and then again with the text commentary suggest to me that repeated viewing are this movie's worst enemy.
Still, it's not completely horrid.
I finally got it on DVD about a year and a half ago. I watched it through and thought it was better than I give it credit for. However, rewatching with the audio commentary and then again with the text commentary suggest to me that repeated viewing are this movie's worst enemy.
Still, it's not completely horrid.
Gosh, we're still debating if the fan-dance was good?
It's got some nice bits and interactions, but there is a whole lot of silly nonsense that it is drowned out by.
Shatner was trying to make an all-out action movie--they should simply have battled the scouting party to get the horses---Uhura could have shown she can shoot a phaser rather than wiggle her middle-age behind. It is overall a childish movie with all the the really stupid 'comic' bits.
"Oh wow, Doohan really can take a great fall for someone his age!"
Shit folks, it's a once every 2 1/2 to 3 year movie event--not a place for our heroes to prove they can do a pratfall at age 68!!
I can't believe the number of folks who think this stuff belonged.
Tell me, where would the best place be in TWOK to have inserted someone slipping on a bannna peel?
Hey stupid studio morons----
"TVH humor was organic to the story!!! Don't cram it into what is supposed to be an action movie with serious undertones"
We should have to go from the vomit inducing scene of Scott & Uhura in sickbay to McCoy's unplugging his dad?????????
It's got some nice bits and interactions, but there is a whole lot of silly nonsense that it is drowned out by.
Shatner was trying to make an all-out action movie--they should simply have battled the scouting party to get the horses---Uhura could have shown she can shoot a phaser rather than wiggle her middle-age behind. It is overall a childish movie with all the the really stupid 'comic' bits.
"Oh wow, Doohan really can take a great fall for someone his age!"
Shit folks, it's a once every 2 1/2 to 3 year movie event--not a place for our heroes to prove they can do a pratfall at age 68!!
I can't believe the number of folks who think this stuff belonged.
Tell me, where would the best place be in TWOK to have inserted someone slipping on a bannna peel?
Hey stupid studio morons----
"TVH humor was organic to the story!!! Don't cram it into what is supposed to be an action movie with serious undertones"
We should have to go from the vomit inducing scene of Scott & Uhura in sickbay to McCoy's unplugging his dad?????????
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That I totally have to disagree with.
I'll clarify my post.
Shatner wantd to make an all-out action movie in the confines of Trek.
He wanted it to have more action than any other trek movie. In fact, he had to state in an interview after saying how much action he wanted "...no but there is character development galore, more than we have seen."
In other words he wanted this great action epic, broken up by nice bits of chatacter delvelopment. We got the chatacter bits, but most of the action was lost for various reasons---even stuff that WAS filmed like the extended attack on Paradise city.(becaue who cares--we didn't have a dog in that fight.)
As for childish, yes the sight gags, slapstick, unfunny jokes, way below par FX made the movie like an amatuer mess--aimed at kiddies and diehards.
After sci-fi movies like Aliens, Robocop, Predator and many others---a bunch of over the hill TV actors trying to amuse audiences with silly gags & jokes--in what was promised as a action movie---(remember the theater seat with a seat-belt poster?)----was childish.
Don't get me wrong--I loved the 'big 3' stuff (most of it) and what they had tried to do when they set out, but the result was pretty bad.
Shatner wantd to make an all-out action movie in the confines of Trek.
He wanted it to have more action than any other trek movie. In fact, he had to state in an interview after saying how much action he wanted "...no but there is character development galore, more than we have seen."
In other words he wanted this great action epic, broken up by nice bits of chatacter delvelopment. We got the chatacter bits, but most of the action was lost for various reasons---even stuff that WAS filmed like the extended attack on Paradise city.(becaue who cares--we didn't have a dog in that fight.)
As for childish, yes the sight gags, slapstick, unfunny jokes, way below par FX made the movie like an amatuer mess--aimed at kiddies and diehards.
After sci-fi movies like Aliens, Robocop, Predator and many others---a bunch of over the hill TV actors trying to amuse audiences with silly gags & jokes--in what was promised as a action movie---(remember the theater seat with a seat-belt poster?)----was childish.
Don't get me wrong--I loved the 'big 3' stuff (most of it) and what they had tried to do when they set out, but the result was pretty bad.
^ Thanks for clarifying.
I guess, just looking at the basic plot and the idea behind it screams anything but action flick to me. As I said before, it seemed to be the movie that tried to aspire to Roddenberry's basic ideas of religion and false gods and whatnot. As opposed to let's kick some Borg ass in FC. Which worked out great, but seems like far more of an action movie to me.
The slapstick, I give you that, though I still feel it was sort of organic and more ironic - Scotty of all people knocking himself out on the Enterprise. Classy humor? No. But a far cry from inflatable android ass, Klingon zits and boob jokes in INS. Now THAT is cheap-ass humor of the crudest and most insulting kind, as it doesn't do anything but cheapen the characters.
I guess, just looking at the basic plot and the idea behind it screams anything but action flick to me. As I said before, it seemed to be the movie that tried to aspire to Roddenberry's basic ideas of religion and false gods and whatnot. As opposed to let's kick some Borg ass in FC. Which worked out great, but seems like far more of an action movie to me.
The slapstick, I give you that, though I still feel it was sort of organic and more ironic - Scotty of all people knocking himself out on the Enterprise. Classy humor? No. But a far cry from inflatable android ass, Klingon zits and boob jokes in INS. Now THAT is cheap-ass humor of the crudest and most insulting kind, as it doesn't do anything but cheapen the characters.
I can see how when you look at how the movie turned out--it would be hard too think of it as a major action picture.
I remember that Shatner wanted several big battle scenes:
The battle for Paradise City--which he got, but were cut heavily
a bigger battle of the Ent crew retaking the city
A major battle for the Enterprise--a big set-piece deck by deck thing
a longer battle of kirk vs Sybok & of course
the big climactic battle with the 'demon' & his minions.
all this was either cut in the script process or as production went on & they fell further behind in time & money.
some of the gags were written in as replacements for lost material.
I think a few of the early gags & jokes are okay as the movie gears up, but are unforgivable after they are picked up from Yosemite to take the mission.
I agree it could be fixed to a 3 with editing or even a 4 star with major well thought out, well exucuted FX, but as it is--it's a flop with many good parts.
I remember that Shatner wanted several big battle scenes:
The battle for Paradise City--which he got, but were cut heavily
a bigger battle of the Ent crew retaking the city
A major battle for the Enterprise--a big set-piece deck by deck thing
a longer battle of kirk vs Sybok & of course
the big climactic battle with the 'demon' & his minions.
all this was either cut in the script process or as production went on & they fell further behind in time & money.
some of the gags were written in as replacements for lost material.
I think a few of the early gags & jokes are okay as the movie gears up, but are unforgivable after they are picked up from Yosemite to take the mission.
I agree it could be fixed to a 3 with editing or even a 4 star with major well thought out, well exucuted FX, but as it is--it's a flop with many good parts.
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