Rate Star Trek: Nemesis on a scale of 1-10

[diankra]

It's not dreadful, but I'd put it at about 5/10: the lowest you can get without wishing for that X minutes of your life back, or wondering how anyone competant could think it was good enough to release. (I'd put Quantum of Solace around the same point).

One major problem is that the set pieces are in the wrong order for them to make sense in character terms: the characters expererience events which might make them reconsider their lives and take decisions to change them (meeting their clone, losing a dear friend) after they've made the big life-changing decisions that might result (getting married, accepting a command of their own, finding a new sense of purpose). That might happen in chaotic, meaningless, real life, but in drama there should be a flow of cause and effect (as there is in Wrath of Khan).

The Second one is Tom Hardy as Shinzon. I really can't understand the success of his career. I've seen him in a dozen or more roles (the A for Andromeda remake, for starters), and in every one he's been a highly competant actor... without an ounce of screen presence whatsoever. And if you're supposed to be the young Patrick Stewart, that's a bit of a fatal flaw.

 

[Starkers]

It's not dreadful, but I'd put it at about 5/10: the lowest you can get without wishing for that X minutes of your life back, or wondering how anyone competant could think it was good enough to release. (I'd put Quantum of Solace around the same point).

One major problem is that the set pieces are in the wrong order for them to make sense in character terms: the characters expererience events which might make them reconsider their lives and take decisions to change them (meeting their clone, losing a dear friend) after they've made the big life-changing decisions that might result (getting married, accepting a command of their own, finding a new sense of purpose). That might happen in chaotic, meaningless, real life, but in drama there should be a flow of cause and effect (as there is in Wrath of Khan).

The Second one is Tom Hardy as Shinzon. I really can't understand the success of his career. I've seen him in a dozen or more roles (the A for Andromeda remake, for starters), and in every one he's been a highly competant actor... without an ounce of screen presence whatsoever. And if you're supposed to be the young Patrick Stewart, that's a bit of a fatal flaw.

Not to mention that young Picard was clearly shown with hair in TNG

I normally find myself agreeing with the things you say, but you didn't like QoS? (Sometimes I think I might be the only person who loves it, which is interesting as I used to think I was the only person who didn't think Casino Royale was the greatest Bond film ever as well)

 

[Angel4576]

^^ Oh dear. Sounds like the complete reverse of my preferences as well. I loved Casino Royale and didn't think much of Quantum of Solace. Too high-paced and focus on action. Half of the time I could hardly tell who was doing what.

Regarding Nemesis, awful, but still better than TFF.

4/10.