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Rank the James Cameron movies

1. Terminator. As with so many Directors his best work is also the one he was probably most restrained in making. Taut, scary, exciting, grim, timeless...one of the best time travel films ever made and, though I get slated for saying this sometimes, one of the most romantic films ever made.

The fact that Kyle fell in love with her picture wondering what she was thinking about and it turns out she was thinking how much she loved him is probably my favourite movie moment of all time. Its absolutely beautful

QFT! There's never a doubt in my mind that this is Cameron's best work; possibly the best movie ever made by anybody. Schwarzenegger is perfect as the inhuman killing machine. Michael Biehn carries the movie with his wild-eyed performance as Kyle Reese. But one of my favorite parts is how fleshed out the entire thing feels. Even with supporting characters like Vukavitch, Traxler, & Silberman, it's clear that they are living, breathing human beings with a life outside of what we see on screen. And because it's so dark and the stunts & effects are so relatively low key, it gives the film a sense of realism, like this could really be happening out there right now and we'd never know it.

For ranking Cameron's 2nd place work, I have a tough time picking between Aliens & Terminator 2. I have more affection for the Terminator franchise as a whole but I love the eclectic, if 1-dimensional, cast of Aliens. Plus, more Michael Biehn & Lance Henriksen is always a good thing.

6. Avatar. I did like it, but again so bloated and long, and is it really improved by 3D?

Yes. In 2-D, it's long, bloated, & rediculous. In 3-D, it's a totally immersive experience. I give the plot 2 stars but a full 5 stars for the visual ability to fully transport you to Pandora. And I am usually not someone who falls for visual spectacle. (Transformers is nothing but obnoxious noise.)

From a plot perspective, I really liked Avatar at the beginning. But as it goes on, the MESSAGE becomes far too heavy handed for my tastes. All of the Dances with Wolves & Fern Gully: The Last Rainforest comparisons are very apt. Personally, I'm sick of the noble savage routine. Sure, they're "in tune with nature," but I guarantee you that their infant mortality rate is appalling.

Message movies like this don't work because the ideal that they advocate is simply one that will not be accepted by 99% of its audience in the real world. While we might be persuaded that deforestation & the displacement of indigenous peoples are bad things that need to be stopped, I think very few people in the audience are willing or able to go straight from modern consumerism to jungle minimalism. For one thing, if we did, we wouldn't be able to watch movies!

Still, from a visual perspective, Avatar is the most impressive thing I've ever seen, which is why I rank it above Titanic. While Titanic has some great spectacle with the ship sinking and all that, there's a lot of stupidity here too. In particular, if Rose had just stayed on the lifeboat in the first place, then Jack would have had the door all to himself, and they both would have survived. Ultimately, it was her grand romantic gesture that killed him!

Also, the movie is far too cloying and Cameron should know better than to take such cheap shots. When he cut right from Jack's death to a shot of all the people in the present day crying, it was such a blatantly emotionally manipulative moment, I wanted to punch Cameron in the balls.

7. The Abyss. Never been a fan, I think I was expecting T3 or Aliens 2 which might explain this but for whatever reason it just didn't connect with me.

I think that's been the problem a lot of people have had with this movie. They were expecting Aliens and what they got was Close Encounters.

Personally, I can't really judge The Abyss or True Lies since I haven't seen either of them in over a decade.

Piranha II sucks. It's more Roger Corman than James Cameron.

So, in summary...

1. The Terminator.
2. Aliens.
3. Terminator 2: Judgment Day.
4. Avatar.
5. Titanic.
6. (tie) The Abyss & True Lies.
8. Piranha II: The Spawning.

...and as for Titanic. James Cameron gave every fanboy the gift of viewing Kate Winslet in a corset. Now hush and enjoy the drooling!

Winslet had been countless corsets before then.

He did give us Winslet naked.

Although, owing to some PG-13 technicality, he could only show us one of Winslet's nipples, leaving us to merely INFER that she has a matching set!
 
Aliens
Terminator
Terminator 2
True Lies
The Abyss

Although they are all fantastic movies, that order could change.

Haven't seen Avatar or Titanic.
 
QFT! There's never a doubt in my mind that this is Cameron's best work; possibly the best movie ever made by anybody. Schwarzenegger is perfect as the inhuman killing machine. Michael Biehn carries the movie with his wild-eyed performance as Kyle Reese. But one of my favorite parts is how fleshed out the entire thing feels. Even with supporting characters like Vukavitch, Traxler, & Silberman, it's clear that they are living, breathing human beings with a life outside of what we see on screen. And because it's so dark and the stunts & effects are so relatively low key, it gives the film a sense of realism, like this could really be happening out there right now and we'd never know it.

Completely agree, hell you could easily imagine Winfield and Henrikson having a spin off film, hell if you came in at the right point you'd imagine they were the heroes of the film, not Biehn and Hamilton!


From a plot perspective, I really liked Avatar at the beginning. But as it goes on, the MESSAGE becomes far too heavy handed for my tastes. All of the Dances with Wolves & Fern Gully: The Last Rainforest comparisons are very apt. Personally, I'm sick of the noble savage routine. Sure, they're "in tune with nature," but I guarantee you that their infant mortality rate is appalling.

Message movies like this don't work because the ideal that they advocate is simply one that will not be accepted by 99% of its audience in the real world. While we might be persuaded that deforestation & the displacement of indigenous peoples are bad things that need to be stopped, I think very few people in the audience are willing or able to go straight from modern consumerism to jungle minimalism. For one thing, if we did, we wouldn't be able to watch movies!


Yeah I have to say that I find Avatar very boring in the middle, and I bet Cameron doesn't live in a jungle!
Still, from a visual perspective, Avatar is the most impressive thing I've ever seen, which is why I rank it above Titanic. While Titanic has some great spectacle with the ship sinking and all that, there's a lot of stupidity here too. In particular, if Rose had just stayed on the lifeboat in the first place, then Jack would have had the door all to himself, and they both would have survived. Ultimately, it was her grand romantic gesture that killed him!

Sorry but Jack was dead either way. When she gets off the lifeboat she then has to save Jack who Billy Zane has chained up down below. Now from one perspective Jack is dead either way, but it isn't about Jack, it's about Rose. If she'd stayed on the lifeboat she'd have been picked up with her mother and easily identified as Rose Dewitt Bukater. In all liklihood she might have still ended up having to marry Zane, and even if she didn't her life wouldn't be free. By being picked up from the water she had the opportunity to lose herself amobngst the survivors and gain her freedom.

Also, the movie is far too cloying and Cameron should know better than to take such cheap shots. When he cut right from Jack's death to a shot of all the people in the present day crying, it was such a blatantly emotionally manipulative moment, I wanted to punch Cameron in the balls.

True it is overly sentimental in places, but you should see the deleted scenes, some are a hundred times worse.


Although, owing to some PG-13 technicality, he could only show us one of Winslet's nipples, leaving us to merely INFER that she has a matching set!

I own The Reader, trust me she has a matching set :lol:
 
Very difficult to rate those...and I have to say somewhat futile since, while a lot of them share common themes, most of them are very different animals from the others.

I have to admit to having an especially soft spot for Abyss (special edition, of course!) which often tends to get the rough end of the stick. ;)

I agree about rating them - I can't do it either because they're either very good or flawed but reasonably good. I disagree about The Abyss. Much as I love that film, the end is a mess no matter what edition you watch. I can forgive it though for the rest of the film's enjoyability.
 
Sorry but Jack was dead either way. When she gets off the lifeboat she then has to save Jack who Billy Zane has chained up down below.

You sure about that? I could have sworn that she rescued Jack with the ax before she got on the lifeboat. (Oh fuck! I'm gonna have to re-watch this movie now, aren't I?:()
 
1. The Terminator
2. Terminator 2: Judgment Day
3. Aliens
4. True Lies
5. The Abyss
6. Titanic
7. Avatar
 
I kind of started this topic from watching the main trailer to Avatar over and over.
And how it says "From James Cameron, the director of TERMINATOR, ALIENS, TERMINATOR 2, TRUE LIES, TITANIC"
...but no mention of The Abyss.

Is it fair to say The Abyss is underrated? Forgotten about? Unfairly left of his list?
 
1. Aliens
2. Terminator 2
3. The Terminator
4. True Lies
5. The Abyss
6. Avatar
7. The Love Boat
 
I kind of started this topic from watching the main trailer to Avatar over and over.
And how it says "From James Cameron, the director of TERMINATOR, ALIENS, TERMINATOR 2, TRUE LIES, TITANIC"
...but no mention of The Abyss.

Is it fair to say The Abyss is underrated? Forgotten about? Unfairly left of his list?

It's probably his weakest movie. 'cept maybe that Pirahna movie I never saw.

I voted Titanic lower because the romance plot bores me to tears, but it's a "better" movie objectively.
 
I kind of started this topic from watching the main trailer to Avatar over and over.
And how it says "From James Cameron, the director of TERMINATOR, ALIENS, TERMINATOR 2, TRUE LIES, TITANIC"
...but no mention of The Abyss.

Is it fair to say The Abyss is underrated? Forgotten about? Unfairly left of his list?

The Abyss is definitely an underrated gem, as far as I'm concerned.

However, it's never listed with James Cameron's other movies because The Abyss is the only movie he's ever made that failed commercially.
 
I kind of started this topic from watching the main trailer to Avatar over and over.
And how it says "From James Cameron, the director of TERMINATOR, ALIENS, TERMINATOR 2, TRUE LIES, TITANIC"
...but no mention of The Abyss.

Is it fair to say The Abyss is underrated? Forgotten about? Unfairly left of his list?

I'd say all three. The Abyss is by far my favorite of Cameron's films. It's certainly much better than True Lies, Titanic, or Avatar.

Although even Cameron's weakest movie--True Lies-- rates about a 7 out of 10 on the enjoyment scale. I thouroughly enjoy all of his films.
 
I've never seen The Abyss so that's out:

1. Aliens
2. Terminator 2
3. Terminator
4. Titanic
5. True Lies
6. Avatar
 
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