Random TOS stuff

[mb22]

For deceased actors, I vote creepy. I don't want to see Humphrey Bogart in baggy knee-length shorts hawking an energy drink. Hard pass.

And beyond actors, this technology has to potential to poison our knowledge of any historical event after the invention of film. Historical forgery isn't new; there was a famous German dictator "diaries" hoax in 1983...

Hitler Diaries - Wikipedia

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...and Jack the Ripper had a diary hoax in 1992

James Maybrick - Wikipedia

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But it looks like AI video will be worse. And since the technology is so freely available, we could end up swimming in phony film clips that purport to "prove" somebody's point about history, or smear someone, or just prank the field of history for the hell of it.

I agree completely regarding faked clips. Let's see how it can be regulated -- not too optimistic about the USA right now. "Nothing is true and everything is possible". I don't see how it is possible to totally suppress generative AI, though. There has to be a concerted effort on the part of those valuing the truth to monitor and call out falsehoods.

 

[Poltargyst]

There has to be a concerted effort on the part of those valuing the truth to monitor and call out falsehoods.

There has been quite a lack of zeal for anyone to do that with conventional media sources, so I'm not optimistic.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I think it's showing them as they were in the movies.

The video i'm watching has a caption referencing the movie, yet the earlier Nimoy is in the TOS costume, with an older, 1980s face, which made no sense.

For deceased actors, I vote creepy. I don't want to see Humphrey Bogart in baggy knee-length shorts hawking an energy drink. Hard pass.

And beyond actors, this technology has to potential to poison our knowledge of any historical event after the invention of film. Historical forgery isn't new; there was a famous German dictator "diaries" hoax in 1983...

Hitler Diaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

...and Jack the Ripper had a diary hoax in 1992

James Maybrick - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But it looks like AI video will be worse. And since the technology is so freely available, we could end up swimming in phony film clips that purport to "prove" somebody's point about history, or smear someone, or just prank the field of history for the hell of it.

^ All excellent points which will be ignored in favor of fanboys and propagandists feeling desperate to "make their mark" on culture, history, or perceptions of it.

 

[Happy Hopping]

this level of AI is easily recognizable as AI generated . On the other thread, on Tilly Norwood, that level of AI is unbelievable

Will AI character such as Tilly Norwood replaces TV shows and movies to AI only and replaces all human actors?

so we have a lot of actors / actresses in this piece of news stabbing AI generated actress Tilly Norwood. Are these human actors afraid of totally being replaced? And what is to stop any independent film co. or large film co. to create TV shows or movies solely by AI actors...

www.trekbbs.com

 

[mb22]

Tilly Noorwood type AI is becoming much easier to access. Identifying AI is becoming much more difficult.


On the topic of Trek, has anyone seen these videos?

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Regardless of all the terrible things inherent in AI (ethical, environmental etc.) whoever created these videos obviously has a great deal of Trek love and knowledge and put a lot of effort into creating them. There are some (not 100% perfect) images of actors, but mostly not anyone I can identify as "real". There is a whole YouTube channel with more videos, but I don't want to appear to be spamming so anyone who desires can find it on their own. I assume it's OK to provide the two links I posted.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

SPOCK!!!! THE COMPUTER!!!! DESTROY IT!!!!

 

[Just a Bill]

So now I am conflicted. There are so many legitimate things to be concerned about with AI, and yet these are ... well done. It's maybe the first time I saw such a video and didn't hear myself saying "AI slop." Yes, there are still some errors, but also clearly the human prompters know their Trek. And I'd be lying if I wasn't moved by some of this.

I guess that's one of the reasons why AI is so terrifying: we always knew it would keep getting better, harder to spot ... and now just in the past few months it's getting good enough to start engaging the emotions. Once that becomes flawless, we are screwed.

 

[I am not Herbert]

Tilly Noorwood type AI is becoming much easier to access. Identifying AI is becoming much more difficult.


On the topic of Trek, has anyone seen these videos?

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Regardless of all the terrible things inherent in AI (ethical, environmental etc.) whoever created these videos obviously has a great deal of Trek love and knowledge and put a lot of effort into creating them. There are some (not 100% perfect) images of actors, but mostly not anyone I can identify as "real". There is a whole YouTube channel with more videos, but I don't want to appear to be spamming so anyone who desires can find it on their own. I assume it's OK to provide the two links I posted.

I'll be the dissenting vote and I say that even as AI becomes more sophisticated, so too do we become more sophisticated consumers (not all of us, and not at the same speed, of course). Two years ago, those clips would have blown my mind. Now, they strike me as junky and bland.

EDIT: Perhaps "sophisticated" consumer is too self-congratulatory. "Oversaturated" is probably more accurate.

 

[Tuskin38]

the AI video is a very nice gesture.

Hell no

 

[Happy Hopping]

that video called Star trek Dreams, I can easily tell they are AI generated. I go to Devianart daily, and that place are all AI generated video / photos, so I'm used to see what is the level of sophistication of AI from Devianart, and they are the same as that video

 

[korblborp]

I think overall, the AI video is a very nice gesture.

P.S. how did Vincent Price tie to star trek?

i was referring to this old Simpson's bit in the context of the "ressurrecting actors with AI" thing

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[CoveTom]

Well, the alien at the Bar in Star Trek III who tried to sell McCoy a ride kinda sounded a little like him.

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Funny, in that scene, McCoy clearly discusses the price of chartering the ship with the alien and says "money I got." Almost like when they started the whole "there's no money in the future" thing in TVH, they were just pulling it out of their asses.

 

[Metryq]

"Scotty, you just earned your pay for the week!"

 

[Poltargyst]

Funny, in that scene, McCoy clearly discusses the price of chartering the ship with the alien and says "money I got." Almost like when they started the whole "there's no money in the future" thing in TVH, they were just pulling it out of their asses.

Or Earth doesn't use money but that alien's race still does, so McCoy had to come up with some.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

The Apple:
KIRK: Trying to get yourself killed? Do you know how much Starfleet has invested in you?
SPOCK: One hundred twenty two thousand two hundred
KIRK: Never mind. But thanks.

The Trouble with Tribbles:
UHURA: All right, what are you selling them for?
BARMAN: Well, let me see, little lady. Six credits. Figure a reasonable mark-up for a reasonable profit, say ten percent mark-up. Ten credits.

Star Trek VI:
SCOTT: That suits me. I just bought a boat.

 

[Ssosmcin]

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Regardless of all the terrible things inherent in AI (ethical, environmental etc.) whoever created these videos obviously has a great deal of Trek love and knowledge and put a lot of effort into creating them. There are some (not 100% perfect) images of actors, but mostly not anyone I can identify as "real". There is a whole YouTube channel with more videos, but I don't want to appear to be spamming so anyone who desires can find it on their own. I assume it's OK to provide the two links I posted.

I watched the Anthem and I didn't hate it. Actually, it felt like a "Starship Troopers" style propaganda video to make you feel good about joining.

But when I read the comments on YouTube is where I start getting iffy about fandom. There's a real blurring of TV and real life that has always been a little odd but the internet just magnifies it. I guess put me in the "jesus people it's a TV show" camp.

It was a labor of love, though, and I appreciate the care and detail that went into it. Strong emphasis on women and non-white people, which is something TOS would have had more of in another era.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Regardless of all the terrible things inherent in AI (ethical, environmental etc.) whoever created these videos obviously has a great deal of Trek love and knowledge and put a lot of effort into creating them.

How can you tell? Did they pour blood, sweat, and tears into typing up their prompts for the environment-killing plagiarism machine?

 

[mb22]

I'm not that familiar with AI. Is that all someone has to do to produce something this detailed? This video shows some of the things that the creator had to work with to modify the AI.

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[CoveTom]

But when I read the comments on YouTube is where I start getting iffy about fandom. There's a real blurring of TV and real life that has always been a little odd but the internet just magnifies it. I guess put me in the "jesus people it's a TV show" camp.

"Just repeat to yourself 'it's just a show, I should really just relax'..."

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

How can you tell? Did they pour blood, sweat, and tears into typing up their prompts for the environment-killing plagiarism machine?

Humans have certainly done their share of the EK. Countless dead trees....