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Random Thought: Was Janeway Killed Because She was So Polarizing?
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Except I love books....Fareinheit 451 style
OK, the "only one or two remaining original characters" might look like an exaggeration and maybe is an exaggeration too. But who knows, if the current deaths and destruction of main characters continues (as some fans on this forum seem to want), then there might only be one or two original crewmembers left in a not too distant future.
As for new characters and giving them a chance, do you really think that characters like Eden, Cambridge or whoever can be compared with or replace Kes and Janeway for me? Huh?
No, it is an exaggeration. There are far more than "one or two remaining original characters". There is no gray area there, and your unfounded assertion that they are going to keep killing off main characters until nobody is left does nothing to change that.
Exactly. Treklit AS AN ENTIRETY has killed exactly 1 TV-show main character, and resurrected another. That's an even record, over the 8 years since the DS9-Relaunch (and thus ongoing, we-don't-know-the-end storytelling) started in Trek. Which is better than the shows themselves, for the record.
It's a completely unfounded accusation, and a ridiculous exaggeration.
Lynx, you have a good point just going on the facts. (Others disagree, but it's still valid.) There's no need to get hysterical and dishonest.
It's a completely unfounded accusation, and a ridiculous exaggeration.
Lynx, you have a good point just going on the facts. (Others disagree, but it's still valid.) There's no need to get hysterical and dishonest.
As for new characters and giving them a chance, do you really think that characters like Eden, Cambridge or whoever can be compared with or replace Kes and Janeway for me? Huh?
Well, apparently not, but at some point, Kes and Janeway were new to you, yes? At some point, you saw them for the first time and thought "I like them, I want to read/see more about them."
Why do you assume you won't have the same experience with Eden and Cambridge?
Considering how many times Lynx has been corrected on this, I don't think it's unfair to say that it's not an exaggeration, it's a lie, plain and simple.
As for new characters and giving them a chance, do you really think that characters like Eden, Cambridge or whoever can be compared with or replace Kes and Janeway for me? Huh?
Well, apparently not, but at some point, Kes and Janeway were new to you, yes? At some point, you saw them for the first time and thought "I like them, I want to read/see more about them."
Why do you assume you won't have the same experience with Eden and Cambridge?
Because:
1) I would always compare them with Kes, Janeway, Tuvok and Neelix and that comparision would end up to their disadvantage.
2) They would remind me of the loss of those original characters.
3) They simply can't be as good as Kes, Janeway, Tuvok and Neelix.
If I want new main characters, then I prefer to read a book or watch a series with entirely new characters, like "New Frontier" and something similar.
I will remind you of your statement the next time one of the original main characters is killed of or leaves the ship for some other reason.
Star Trek: New Frontier is actually comprised of a combination of original characters (Captain Calhoun, Burgoyne 172, Si Cwan), original characters that first appeared in Peter David's Worf books for the Star Trek: The Next Generation: Starfleet Academy series (Soleta, Mark McHenry, Tania Tobias), and characters that first appeared onscreen and aren't new at all (Robin Lefler, Morgan Primus, Elizabeth Shelby).
Unfortunately, of all the series, Voyager is the series that most needed a new direction when the television series ending. The raison d'etre came to an end in "Endgame." I'm reminded of something John Ordover said back in the dim days of 2002; after "Endgame," Voyager isn't anything different than TNG-lite, boldly going in the Alpha Quadrant where any other ship can go. J.J.'s point wasn't to dismiss Voyager, but to point out that there's nothing compelling about Voyager in the Alpha Quadrant that couldn't be told with a series that had better name recognition and sold better. In that sense, Lynx, post-"Endgame" Voyager was always going to be a "bogus Voyager." *shrug*
(I should note that I've not yet read Unworthy, though I do understand that Voyager has a raison d'etre again and is no longer TNG-lite.)
One more main character would still leave more than half of the original cast. So remind me of my statement when Pocket is publishing Voyager novels with no more than two original TV characters. At that point your "exaggeration" would be accurate. I won't hold my breath, though.
That's pretty much it. And part of the reason that the Spirit Walk books weren't particularly entertaining (that, and generally sucking). Voyager in the Alpha Quadrant isn't anything special, just another ship. And once the crew scattered a bit (as it WOULD, after a 7 year stranding far from home), there was even less reason to keep that series going. Janeway got promoted (part PR, partly to just keep her out of the way), a few crew quit, a few transfered, a few got promotions that were years behind schedule, etc. You've just got a stripped-down Voyager with some of the regular crew, doing the same stuff other ships are already doing. Voyager needed a compelling reason to exist at that point. An ambitious trip back to explore the DQ and check out the Destiny aftermath seems the perfect reason, and Voyager is uniquely qualified...
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So why don't gather the old gang, complete with Janeway, Tuvok, Kes and Neelix and send them to the Delta Quadrant or Andromeda Galaxy for new missions.
Or maybe some mission in uncharted areas of the Gamma Quadrant as well.
Now that would be challenging!
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In that case, they could as well have scrapped the whole idea of a "Voyager relaunch". That would have been better than the bogus relaunch we do have today.
So why don't gather the old gang, complete with Janeway, Tuvok, Kes and Neelix and send them to the Delta Quadrant or Andromeda Galaxy for new missions.
Or maybe some mission in uncharted areas of the Gamma Quadrant as well.
Now that would be challenging!
Allyn Gibson wrote:
In that case, they could as well have scrapped the whole idea of a "Voyager relaunch". That would have been better than the bogus relaunch we do have today.
As for new characters and giving them a chance, do you really think that characters like Eden, Cambridge or whoever can be compared with or replace Kes and Janeway for me? Huh?
Well, apparently not, but at some point, Kes and Janeway were new to you, yes? At some point, you saw them for the first time and thought "I like them, I want to read/see more about them."
Why do you assume you won't have the same experience with Eden and Cambridge?
Because:
1) I would always compare them with Kes, Janeway, Tuvok and Neelix and that comparision would end up to their disadvantage.
2) They would remind me of the loss of those original characters.
3) They simply can't be as good as Kes, Janeway, Tuvok and Neelix.
If I want new main characters, then I prefer to read a book or watch a series with entirely new characters, like "New Frontier" and something similar.
How do you know that, if you've never seen them?
When you watched Voyager for the first time, did you spend the entire time thinking "well, I have to hate this, because obviously none of these characters will stack up against Picard"?
I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm honestly curious. How are you so positive that these characters aren't as interesting as the others?
Not to mention Arex and M'Ress of TAS, introduced in "Cold Wars"!
In fact, TrekLit has resurrected Kirk, Sisko and Tucker.
But Tuvok is contentedly serving on Titan, and Neelix is happily settled down with other Talaxians. Why must you ruin Neelix's happiness?
You're aware that Ringo was actually not an original Beatle, right?
Where's the love for Pete Best? 
But Tuvok is contentedly serving on Titan, and Neelix is happily settled down with other Talaxians. Why must you ruin Neelix's happiness?
You're aware that Ringo was actually not an original Beatle, right?
I'm well aware of Pete Best. I have his biography in my bookshelf and to tell the truth, they weren't nice when they fired him, something John Lennon admitted some years later.
To make it simpler, a Beatles reunion with Paul McCartney as the only original member would also be considered a disaster because, as I've stated before, some people and characters simply can't be replaced.
As for Neelix, I don't think he's happy. He's probably bored to death and is planning to start searching for his old friends, something I might write a story about.
Tuvok would do a much better job on Voyager.
As for ruining someones happiness, well certain events considering Voyager have ruined my happiness.
Again, Lynx, the job of a rock band is to perform the same songs every night (or every tour, or whatever). The job of a writer is to do something different.
And even bands... there are tons of examples of where your analogy falls flat. The Dave Matthews Band saxophone player recently died. They replaced him with a sax player with a VERY different aesthetic. The band sounds quite different now. But, it's not the end of the universe; it's not better or worse, just different, and it's fun to hear new spins on the old songs. Change CAN be good. You're acting like it's an accepted fact that any alteration in the members of a band is clearly ruinous, and that's just a complete exaggeration.
Look at it from a business standpoint. If you just keep doing the same thing over and over, the same predictable stories with the same characters, there's only one place your sales can go (speaking in the long term) - down. In order to attract new fans, or give old fans who got bored with the old paradigm a reason to come back, you have to do something a bit different.
There's not much money in giving an ever-diminishing group of people bland comfort food stories.
And even bands... there are tons of examples of where your analogy falls flat. The Dave Matthews Band saxophone player recently died. They replaced him with a sax player with a VERY different aesthetic. The band sounds quite different now. But, it's not the end of the universe; it's not better or worse, just different, and it's fun to hear new spins on the old songs. Change CAN be good. You're acting like it's an accepted fact that any alteration in the members of a band is clearly ruinous, and that's just a complete exaggeration.
Look at it from a business standpoint. If you just keep doing the same thing over and over, the same predictable stories with the same characters, there's only one place your sales can go (speaking in the long term) - down. In order to attract new fans, or give old fans who got bored with the old paradigm a reason to come back, you have to do something a bit different.
There's not much money in giving an ever-diminishing group of people bland comfort food stories.
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