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Quinto is out of the closet

Homophobia is a hatred or fear of homosexuals. It is not the omission of homosexuality from storytelling. If that's the case, then any story, TV show, movie that doesn't include a gay character or storyline must therefore be homophobic in nature.

That's a weak argument. There's something like 700+ hours of Star Trek tv and movies, showing all sorts of facets of daily life in the Trek universe. The near-complete absence of gay people anywhere is very conspicuous and at some point you just have to say that's intentional.

Star Trek isn't homophobic. Society is. Or at least a big enough part of society that it would constitute a problem showing a gay character on Trek.

I love the way Quinto 'came out', the perfect way to do it


umm.. yeah, this is actually more Trek's issue than "society's" Star Trek has long since missed the boat on this issue and many genre shows and movies have already had gay characters.

I don't think it would have constituted a problem, I think Trek's writers and producers just wanted to play it safe and not do anything that might come off as "controversial."


Now it wouldn't even matter because having a gay character wouldn't even be making a statement anymore.
 
If anything Star Trek bring out a gay character now would reek of "Me too!"

They should be leading on stuff like this but Trek isn't even bothering to follow.
 
An obvious 'phobe. You fit right in with the majority of Star Trek fans.

hmm, lets see what happens when you change just two words in that sentence;

An obvious buttmonkey. You fit right in with the majority of gays.

now, I don't know about you, but that seems a little bit... prejudiced?
so maybe think a bit more before you start accusing people of being homophobes, ok?

and gosh, I really hope you're a troll...
Beyond Antares' post could no doubt have been better-considered, but I can sort of get where he was coming from and I spoke to that here, which ought to have been sufficient.

Now, while it would be unreasonable of me to expect that no one else would want to reply to his post, what I do not want to see is the sort of would-be backseat moderation exemplified by WinstonSmith's post above, in which he attempts to school someone he supposes a troll, only to end up looking more than a little trollish himself. One thing I particularly do not wish to see is a second such example from Mr. WinstonSmith.


Now, if we could manage to do without personal criticisms of fellow posters and please get back to discussing the topic of Zach Quinto's decision to more openly discuss his sexuality and what impact that might (or might not) have on things?

Sorry M'sharak, I did not intend to lecture anyone or to make them feel unable to express their own point of view, I was simply offended at being called a homophobe for being a star trek fan. personally, I have no problem with gay people, and I applaud Quinto for coming out, but I find that bandying around the word "homophobe" at any and all occasion in fact makes the whole issue seem less important. essentially; if a little thing=homophobia, then homophobia=a little thing, or at least it would seem to, something which I believe to be the furthest thing from the truth. And for what it's worth, I actually agree with Beyond Antares that there is a definite bias towards heterosexual relationships in star trek and in TV and Film in general, and I too hope that changes in the very near future. I just felt that prefacing that message with an inflammatory remark as above was wholly uncalled for and in fact makes people less likely to even see the real sense of the statement. At the time I was simply angry at being insulted, the result of which was my post above, and I think a lot of other people would be too. It was only afterwards when I read your take on the matter that I actually understood what it was he was trying to say.

I am sorry too to have come across as trolling, I was just reacting too much in haste to a comment that was, to put it mildly, a little bit provocative. I certainly never meant to pass judgement on Beyond Antares, merely to point out a remark of his that I personally found offensive. I am sure he is a perfectly fine person in all other regards.

I realise I've eaten up a whole post here, which I hope does not come across as a "second example", as I have tried my best to make my reply as civil as I possibly can. the reason I did feel the need to reply was simply to clarify my position in a way that (hopefully) doesn't make me sound like a jerk, but M'sharak is right that it is definitely more than a little tangential to the thread, and I don't want to piss the mod off any more by sidetracking it or starting a flamewar or somesuch, so I think it would be best if any reply to this post goes to pm.

and once again, I am truly terribly sorry :)
 
He's a competent actor with good screen presence. Who gives a flying fuck where he likes to stick his phaser? I don't know why this is even an issue ...
 
I like Quinto as Spock. Anything outside of Trek--especially when it comes to his personal life--doesn't interest me in the slightest. I couldn't care less if Quinto is gay. It doesn't matter to me. So, what's your problem with that?

This sums up my feelings pretty well. :techman:
 
Non-issue to me. If he'd said he was left-handed, same thing. Who cares? He's a GREAT Spock and that's what interests me.
 
Angelina Jolie
Angelina is bi, isn't she?
So she professes. Bi-sexual is gay.

I mean, how are you defining "gay?" "Gay" is typically used to mean "exclusively attracted to the same sex," and is sometimes used to mean "a male who is exclusively attracted to his own sex" (usually accompanied by "lesbian" in such a context).

Very, very occasionally, I've run into people who take "gay" as a shorthand for any sexual orientation other than heterosexuality, but that's fairly rare.

Certainly every bisexual I've ever encountered will explain to you that, just as gays and lesbians are homosexual, not heterosexuals in denial or making deviant choices, bisexuals are bisexual: They are consistently attracted to both sexes, not to one or another, and should not be pressured into conforming to either homosexual or heterosexual paradigms.
 
I never got the whole bisexual thing. Just pick a sex organ you want to play with and be done with it.
 
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