By that logic, no holograms in The Next Generation were solid, everyone was just miming along in their movements expertly.
Question: Where is it explicitly said that Kirk took command immediately after Pike?
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I’m fully expecting that it will be at this point. But the get out of gaol free card is that Picard is set years after everything we’ve seen - “all good things” was Q, “the visitor” and “endgame” had reset timelines, so we’ve never seen the future Picard will live in.
But it’s gonna be mid-air projection screens that you operate by waving your hands about because it’s tHe WoRlD of ToMOrRoW!!!
Totally agree with you here. The annoying thing (for me at least) is that the TOS world has been lumped in with the rest of “Star Trek” so that it’s all one single celled organism with characteristics that can now be used regardless of the calendar year when the show is set. The idea of “the next generation” being a hundred years after TOS has levelled to become “Star track Enterprise with the beaming and such”. As a result anything from any time period can be seen or used and it won’t matter - because “Star Trek”. That’s the only criterion that matters it seems.
That's not logical at all, since we know that the TNG holograms & holodecks were more capable by several magnitudes than the ones in TOS & DISCOVERY and used replication tech to create actual physical objects.
(as well as computer tech many times more powerful)
A FLICKERING IMAGE of Sarek leaning against an object is hardly what I'd call proof of a SOLID Hologram.
It says to me that the ships program compensates the best it can to project an image relative to the information being sent to it from a known location.
You can ignore what ever you like to fit your head-canon, but it's there none the less.
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I take it you haven't seen "Calypso", where the bridge turns into a holodeck and Craft dances with holo-Zora, who switches from solid when active to non-solid when frozen.That's not logical at all, since we know that the TNG holograms & holodecks were more capable by several magnitudes than the ones in TOS & DISCOVERY and used replication tech to create actual physical objects.
(as well as computer tech many times more powerful)
A FLICKERING IMAGE of Sarek leaning against an object is hardly what I'd call proof of a SOLID Hologram.
It says to me that the ships program compensates the best it can to project an image relative to the information being sent to it from a known location.
You can ignore what ever you like to fit your head-canon, but it's there none the less.
We're talking about a show where they can teleport this ship anywhere in the multiverse with their Spore Drive... the mere existence of which makes a mockery of Deep Space Nine and Voyager if we try and pretend they're in the same continuity.
I never realized this was a double pun. I got the joke on his mental state, but I didn't catch the omission of "stand" since he's in a wheelchair.
This. Once a technological genie is out of the bottle, it is tough to stuff it back in.
The point was that established continuity means little in this show. The point is made.
Actually we know that Picard commanded an unnamed ship between Enterprise and Stargazer. It's when he first met Tasha Yar.
That was hardly the case in 'Calypso'. The Hologram projection apparatus was large and clearly visible. Also, the hologram was very primitive and see through. They also made a point to show the character Craft practicing his dance moves for weeks so it's no surprise he could appear to be 'holding' the image as they danced.
Actually, I've seen it thrice and Noname Given ninj'd my reply.
(probably more succinctly)
Perhaps you might want to take another look yourself?
Also, why are you so hung up on the Spore Drive when we've seen a multitude of exotic tech throughout Trek that are just as incredulously overpowered and then never mentioned again?
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...Which was in error to begin with. DSC has nothing to do with it.
The very same people our VOY heroes say didn't have holodecks were shown using one decades before either the in-universe timepoint or the real-world airdate. If the VOY heroes are off by decades, then one more makes no difference.
IOW, DSC exists in the same universe as TAS, even if VOY doesn't. Or then the characters spoke in error, which is less interesting than alternate universes but just possibly more likely.
Uh, why would they not be? TAS had solid ones.
Which would be mildly interesting were it a holo-bench, perhaps. Instead, we see a grainy, jiggly image sit down on something at his end of the transmission, and the machinery poorly matches the movement to the surroundings of the receiving end, violently flipping the image and adjusting its height to try and preserve the illusion.
If anything, this is a good argument for holocomms being a "new" thing in DS9. The DSC heroes have picture-perfect holography. Their holocomms are crap. Apparently, it takes a century to improve upon them so that they finally match user expectations!
Where's the problem with that? "Calypso" comes long after TNG...
It's all beside the point anyway. Nice, solid holography isn't forbidden in the 2250s. Or the 2160s, for that matter. The only time it impresses a Starfleet character is in "Unexpected", back in 2151; on all occasions thereafter, it's expected instead.
Furthermore, nice, solid holography is required in the late 2260s. Why not have a proper head start, considering nobody suggested the tech would be new in "The Practical Joker"?
Not very likely. After all, the phrase also credits Yar with a ship. Surely this lowly underling wasn't the captain of her vessel? Which means Picard need not have been the captain of his.
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And, quite frankly, it shouldn't mean much to anyone else either.
Pike is most likely leaving at the end of the season. Not just because of TOS. But also because CBSAA probably wants a Pike Series at some point and I'm dead sure Discovery will have a new captain every season until it's Burnham.
And even if you don't think DSC is in the same universe as TOS, Alex Kurtzman wants to keep promoting it as such and leaving Pike in command of Discovery permanently would not feed into the narrative that it's just a visual reboot.
Pike's going back to the Enterprise. If you don't believe me, a few months from now I'll promise not to say "I told you so!"
And even if you don't think DSC is in the same universe as TOS, Alex Kurtzman wants to keep promoting it as such and leaving Pike in command of Discovery permanently would not feed into the narrative that it's just a visual reboot.
Pike's going back to the Enterprise. If you don't believe me, a few months from now I'll promise not to say "I told you so!"
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Yeah, because Pike will be back in Command of the 1701 BEFORE the end of ST: D Season 2.I just want to be the first to call BS on THAT final point!
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Alex Kurtzman said "I am very excited about Spock this season because this is literally the only season in which we can tell this story about Spock". Why is this the only season they can do that? Because it is the only season with Pike as Discovery Captain. Season 3 will have Kirk as captain, and it would be too early for Spock and Kirk to meet.
Honestly, I really don't believe that They will go THAT fanwanky.
I don't doubt that Kirk will be mentioned/brought up in some way, shape or form, but I seriously doubt he will ever be the Captain of the Discovery.
(and if I end up being wrong, then I give @Lord Garth permission to say "I Told Ya SO!")
