Question: Where is it explicitly said that Kirk took command immediately after Pike?

[Timo]

Here we should pay attention to the implication of the use of the term "DSC holograms". There are several sorts, after all.

The stuff they use for communicating is Star Wars level crap, with poor resolution and a total failure to create the realistic illusion of presence. These are not solid. In addition, they have the mirrors. These are of perfect visual quality, but not demonstrably solid. Then there's the holodeck, which is solid enough that Tyler can lean on a wall and slap at controls; the visuals leave something to be desired. Whether the TAS holodeck has similarly unsatisfactory visuals, we can't readily tell.

How much of this is newish, we also can't easily tell. Are these folks accustomed to miming because the previous generation of holostuff didn't allow for leaning against walls, or slapping?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Or indeed to a cool Berlin/Washington conspiracy of some sort in the 1940s.

Little known historical fact: in wartime this small group of Nazis were known for their SS defection, which became shortened to S-ection. They adopted a codename consisting of "3" (for Third Reich) and "1" (first letter of the alphabet, for America), and were collectively known as "S-ection 31".

No, really! Look it up. I heard it from Harry Kim.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'll believe whatever Icheb has to say about the 23rd Century. He's like the over-studious bookworm in all AP Classes, who lives and breathes whatever he's doing his paper on. Harry Kim, he was probably the kid who was in band and he did well on exams but he studied just enough to pass, then forgot all of it afterwards. That's how they strike me.

Speaking of Harry Kim, he talked about how he used to play the Flotter program when he was a kid in "Once Upon a Time", which is one of Naomi Wildman's holoprograms. If holodecks were really introduced in TNG Season 1 (which I think is bullshit), Harry would've been 15. Call me crazy, but somehow I don't think he would've been into Flotter when he was 15.

Ergo, Harry Kim has no idea what he's talking about when he's talking about the history of holodecks. Do you know when VHS Players were introduced into the market? 1975. But most people don't know that they had VCRs back then, so you'll hear people say, "They didn't have VCRs in the '70s!" I just nod my head. It's not worth it sometimes to correct people about every little thing.

 

[BillJ]

The stuff they use for communicating is Star Wars level crap, with poor resolution and a total failure to create the realistic illusion of presence. These are not solid. In addition, they have the mirrors. These are of perfect visual quality, but not demonstrably solid. Then there's the holodeck, which is solid enough that Tyler can lean on a wall and slap at controls; the visuals leave something to be desired.

The execution leaves something to be desired. If you can project fully solid holograms, then pretty much all of them should be fully solid. They way they depict various holograms irritates me and it has nothing to do with whether or not they should have the technology eight years prior to TOS.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I like how the holograms are depicted. If they were smooth, opaque and unglitchy, there would be no way to tell if someone was really in the room. While IRL that would be very cool, it would be very confusing as a viewer if we didn't know if Cornwell had come to visit or if she was light years away talking on the space phone.

 

[Tuskin38]

If you can project fully solid holograms, then pretty much all of them should be fully solid.

Not really, you need to consider bandwidth usage. it would be cheaper (smaller data footprint) and probably have less connection lag if the holograms are lower quality.

While IRL that would be very cool, it would be very confusing as a viewer if we didn't know if Cornwell had come to visit or if she was light years away talking on the space phone.

Wasn't that one of the reasons they stopped using the holograms in DS9?

 

[Timo]

The execution leaves something to be desired. If you can project fully solid holograms, then pretty much all of them should be fully solid. They way they depict various holograms irritates me and it has nothing to do with whether or not they should have the technology eight years prior to TOS.

Seems logical enough to me that something being transmitted is fuzzy, scratchy and jiggly, while something generated on the spot is of better quality (indeed, originally the Star Wars community wanted to argue that their holograms were so poor because they were being projected through asteroid swarms and the like, but then Lucas went and blew that with the prequels). And the more complex the hologram, the more there will be glitches: a mirror or a display will only do the one thing, but a "simulation" will be doing extra computing to be truly dynamic, and will fail on occasion.

I like how the holograms are depicted. If they were smooth, opaque and unglitchy, there would be no way to tell if someone was really in the room.

They would also be cheap, as they could be executed by putting that person in the room for real. DSC simply is the first show able to afford Star Wars style glitchy holograms to any significant degree. And they pulled all stops when showing Sarek communicating with Burnham in the double pilot: lots of effort went into making Sarek shimmer, jiggle, jump and twist, and never quite match his supposed surroundings. This has allowed them to go it easy later on, often probably just shooting a character on the set and then painting him fuzzy and transparentish in postproduction.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[BillJ]

Not really, you need to consider bandwidth usage. it would be cheaper (smaller data footprint) and probably have less connection lag if the holograms are lower quality.

You wouldn't be sending the entire hologram over subspace. You would only be sending the information needed for Discovery to project the hologram.

 

[Timo]

Which would basically require the recipient to hold a database of the perfect likenesses of Admiral Angry or Ambassador Antagonist, for every value of AA. I guess it pays to keep messaging maximally simple, and to assure the recipient that whatever she's seeing is the truth and the whole truth and nothing but the truth at the sending end.

I mean, yeah, future phones ITRW might just receive raw speech from A but play out a perfect recording of the voice of A at his very best for the benefit of B, and do the same sort of filtering and boosting to his image and even his grammar and the factual contents of his utterances. Not Starfleet communiques, tho.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Syd Shanshala]

When Star Trek Destiny comes out and looks nothing like any of the TNG series, and essentially ignores the continuity of all the TNG movies and shows, I can’t wait to read the endless threads about how nice it is to see grown up Wesley Crusher typing on a keypad that isn’t a spray painted etchasketch

 

[Timo]

Oh, you need to have patience: they'll only return to Okudagrams and bring back Spock from the second season on.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[BillJ]

...I can’t wait to read the endless threads about how nice it is to see grown up Wesley Crusher typing on a keypad that isn’t a spray painted etchasketch

Yet the "etch-a-sketch" captured our imaginations in a way Discovery and, likely, the other new shows never will.

 

[Manchester]

So what if Harry Kim said something about holodecks in VOY. He could be wrong.

NO! Characters are never wrong! Everyone in Starfleet is an expert on everything!

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Honestly, I really don't believe that They will go THAT fanwanky.
I don't doubt that Kirk will be mentioned/brought up in some way, shape or form, but I seriously doubt he will ever be the Captain of the Discovery.

(and if I end up being wrong, then I give @Lord Garth permission to say "I Told Ya SO!")

My prediction for the end of season two: Burnham is captain or is made XO.

My prediction for season three: Kirk will show up in some fashion.

 

[Noname Given]

NO! Characters are never wrong! Everyone in Starfleet is an expert on everything!

Yep hell, from TNG's "Hollow Pursuits" - there's a character that vclaims Transporters weren't in use by the Federation a century prior to TNG (meaning neither Kirk's nor Pike's Enterprise's should have had them, but they did. )
http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/169.htm

DUFFY: Most of the affected systems weren't even invented when those substances were in use. Who knows what could happen with a transporter or a magnetic capacitor?

LAFORGE: Wait a minute, wasn't invidium used in medical containment fields?

WESLEY: Not for over a century.

In fact, unless ENT is somehow now non-canon, Humans (and the Federation) have had Transporters for TWO centuries by the time of TNG.

 

[Syd Shanshala]

Yet the "etch-a-sketch" captured our imaginations in a way Discovery and, likely, the other new shows never will.

Nah, Discovery has provoked lots of great imagination thinking on my end. And quite frankly I don’t see how it couldn’t.

 

[Lord Garth]

My prediction for the end of season two: Burnham is captain or is made XO.

XO, I can see. Captain is a stretch, unless circumstances leave her the senior-most officer on the ship and captain is her position instead of her rank.

As it looks right now, Saru would become Captain before Burnham. He has to either somehow not work out as Captain or, beforehand, he has to look like he's not the best candidate for the job.

 

[Lord Garth]

Yet the "etch-a-sketch" captured our imaginations in a way Discovery and, likely, the other new shows never will.

Have you seen "Calypso"? I know you don't like DSC, but I strongly suggest watching it. If you still feel the same way after watching it, then fine, whatever. But I think it might surprise you.

If you don't even like "Calypso", then it's true. You won't like anything Discovery or anything else under this regime ever puts out.

 

[Manchester]

unless ENT is somehow now non-canon

Some people ACTUALLY believe that.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Kirk took over the ship eventually. Pike held the ship initially.

You forgot Robert April.

And at any rate, who's to say that Pike didn't have two separate commands of the Enterprise, with an intervening period in which the ship is under somebody else's command?