Question about the USS Defiant and the mirror universe.

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  1. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    I had a question about the USS Defiant that has been used in a few episodes of Star Trek set inside the mirror universe.

    It has appeared in Enterprise, TOS, and was mentioned but not shown in Discovery.

    Here's the thing. Wouldn't Starfleet have records of this event and the ship from the time Archer crossed over into the mirror universe?

    At least this is what I had imagined, that maybe the crew on Discovery could have looked up the ships computer records and found this information.
     
  2. Tosk

    Tosk Admiral Admiral

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    Apologies, but...I'm not completely sure I understand the question. They did have some info, it came up several times in season one of Disco.

    Archer never crossed universes. Only the Defiant itself did.
     
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  3. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    My bad ..... I don't know why I assumed some of the regular crew like Archer had crossed over oops.
     
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  4. drt

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    Probably because every other Mirror episode features crossovers. ENT was the only time a story was told entirely in-universe.
     
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  5. somebuddyX

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    It's actually kind of neat how Discovery handled people in Prime finding about Defiant, in that they knew in their future it would go back in time to Mirror, but the people with the knowledge ended up in the 31st century, so it didn't matter anyway.
    It's a little wild to me the influence ships named Defiant had on the MU and how that works in-universe and out of universe.
    You probably know this but just in case, they had thought about having Defiant originally turning up in Prime in Season 2 in "Future Tense."
     
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  6. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    I think I did read that somewhere. I am actually happy with what they actually did do with that episode.
     
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  7. somebuddyX

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    Me too.
     
  8. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I mean, several months go by after they return to the Prime Universe but before they travel to the future. I'm sure they reported the matter to Starfleet at some point. At the very least, Georgiou likely mentioned to Section 31 when she was working with them.
     
  9. Tuskin38

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    It was probably classified by the DTI.

    Plus they didn't know when in the future the Defiant came from.
     
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  10. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

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    I am so happy TNG never did a mirror universe episode.
     
  11. STEPhon IT

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    Which I really liked because it's through the interpretations from the monsters perspective. The possessors of the Defiant could erase any records that existed and write their own history as they like it to be. I'm not sure they had the wherewithal to keep the maintenance of that super vessel.
     
  12. Gingerbread Demon

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    Voyager also avoided the MU
     
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  13. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    According to SNW S2, DTI does not exist yet, so it definitely would not have existed in seasons 1 and 2 of Disco.
     
  14. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The wrong history Living Witness was pretty close.
     
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  15. Gingerbread Demon

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    Yes close but not the MU thank goodness.
     
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  16. somebuddyX

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    I feel like "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Living Witness" especially were there MU/AU type stories. I love how "Living Witness" starts one way and then changes into something much deeper.
    The Mirror Universe would have made a fun Arrowverse style crossover in the 90s with DS9/VOY/TNG and even TOS people. Prime DS9 people team up with Mirror DS9/Voyager people to fight Mirror Worf and Mirror B'Elanna, and then Mirror Riker and Mirror Geordi show up to ruin everyone's day as the heralds of Emperor Tiberius.
     
  17. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

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    Mirror universe or changed timeline, where do you draw the line?
     
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    David cgc Admiral Premium Member

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    In Cornwell's debrief after they get back, she mentions that all records of the alternate universe will be classified and destroyed. As for the crew of the Defiant in a decade, the official position seems to be "sucks to be them."
     
  19. Tosk

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    Between those two. ;)
     
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    They had a minor crossover with mirror Tuvok appearing in DS9: "Through the Looking Glass".
     
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