Question about Klingons/Organa and war

[sgsmitty]

*** Potential Minor Spoiler about A Time to Heal? ***
As I recall, there was a TOS episode, "Errand of Mercy" maybe, that had a race called Organians(sp?) that stepped in in the middle of the fighting and imposed peace between the Federation and the Klingon empire. A terrible plot device in my opinion but there it is. As as result, there was a neutral zone and they two sides weapons would become non-functional if they tried to fight.

I am currently about mid-way through reading "A Time to Heal" and some of the tension in the book is the chance of war with the Klingons. Would that not be possible because of the previously mentioned situation? How does various trek literature deal with that? Do we pretend it never happened, was it explained away somewhere that I do not know about (very possible, I have not read much)?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Since the Klingons became allies of the Federation, all indications are that the Organians left them alone after that.

 

[sgsmitty]

Babaganoosh said:
Since the Klingons became allies of the Federation, all indications are that the Organians left them alone after that.

True, but I would assume not forgotten. Seems they would remember the interference of the Organians thus making any concern of a war breaking out between them pointless.

 

[8of5]

I think some comics way back when established the end of the Organian peace treaty some time in the TOS movie era.

 

[Stevil2001]

sgsmitty said:

Babaganoosh said:
Since the Klingons became allies of the Federation, all indications are that the Organians left them alone after that.

True, but I would assume not forgotten. Seems they would remember the interference of the Organians thus making any concern of a war breaking out between them pointless.

The fact that war between the Federation and the Empire did break out in Deep Space Nine would seem to clearly indicate that the Organians are no longer an issue.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

8of5 said:
I think some comics way back when established the end of the Organian peace treaty some time in the TOS movie era.

DC Comics' first series, issues 1-4. The Excalbians were testing the Federation and the Klingons, and to that end they had to suppress the powers of the Organians. Kirk and Kor figure this out, and they travel to Organia, where Kirk convinces the Excalbians and the Organians to determine for themselves the nature of good and evil, and they depart for parts unknown, leaving the Federation and the Klingons to forge their own peace.

That sounds strangely Babylon 5-like, come to think of it....

 

[Christopher]

"Errand of Mercy" made it clear that the Organians were extreme isolationists and pacifists who found any interaction with or intervention in the affairs of mere mortals to be extremely distasteful. The only reason they eventually acted to halt the war was because Organia itself was being affected by it. They weren't motivated by any kind of social consciousness, they just wanted to get the noisy kids off their lawn.

So it stands to reason that the Organians would not bother to intervene in any subsequent UFP/Klingon conflict that didn't directly involve Organia. Some works of tie-in fiction over the years have portrayed the Organians as an activist power monitoring everything the UFP and Klingons did and stepping in instantly at the first sign of conflict, but I believe that's incompatible with the clearly stated Organian distaste for intervention in humanoid affairs.

 

[captcalhoun]

the novel for TUC describes the Organians as having vanished to who knows where a few weeks/months before Praxis went KA-BLOOEY!

 

[Therin of Andor]

"Spock Must Die!" by James Blish has an interesting early development on the Organian Peace Treaty, too.

 

[TGTheodore]

Steve Mollmann said:
The fact that war between the Federation and the Empire did break out in Deep Space Nine would seem to clearly indicate that the Organians are no longer an issue.

I tend to think the Organians just "forgot" about it since they were no longer directly involved.

They are, after all, a very old race. And even omnipotent beings can forget where they put their keys ...

--Ted

 

[JD]

Lol, I like that, mind if I take that for my sig? I'll credit you.

 

[TGTheodore]

Be my guest!

--Ted

 

[Vastator]

Well if you take the game continuity, the Oraganians rallied the ISC to force order on the other races... but thats the game.

http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Organian Memory Beta has an article on them.

 

[ryan123450]

I just figure that as long as the Federation and Klingons stayed away from the Organian home system, the Organians just the two sides alone. They probably felt the establishment of the treaty was all they needed to do. They weren't ever constantly on the lookout to keep the two sides from war for eternity.

 

[Timo]

I rather doubt they had anything to do with the treaty, either.

Instead, after the Organians had made it impossible for the Feds and Klingons to keep fighting on Organian turf, the two sides decided to make lemonade out of the bitter situation. They signed a peace treaty that gave both sides time to rearm for an even more deadly confrontation, to patch the holes found in their offensive plans before the Organians blew the whistle. And lo, they found it advantageous to stick to that treaty for the better part of a decade, even though Organians obviously did nothing to enforce that treaty (as evidenced by "Friday's Child", "Elaan of Troyius" and "Day of the Dove", all of which featured Fed-Klingon combat).

Of course, both sides would also find it advantageous to keep filing reports of "Organian intervention".

Captain Klaa: "I was this close to single-handedly destroying the Enterprise, but then those thrice-cursed cowardly lightbulbs intervened, jammed my guns, and made my ship turn around and warp away! I swear I'll get her one day..."

Captain Kirk: "We would have been there in time to intercept those Klingon raiders, but the Organians disabled our sensors and slowed down our engines. And cunningly put these green lipstick stains on my uniform to make it look as if we were held back for some other reason.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Christopher said: The only reason they eventually acted to halt the war was because Organia itself was being affected by it.

Since the Organians are super-advanced noncorporeal energy beings, why would they care about what happens to Organia itself?

 

[Christopher]

Presumably for the same reason they still bother to live on Organia at all. Clearly they have an attachment to it and prefer to live there. It's not about "what happens to Organia itself" -- like I said, it was about keeping the noisy kids off their lawn. They didn't find us the least bit threatening to them or their interests except as a nuisance to be quieted and sent away.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Then the Organians must not be as advanced as they claim to be, if mere humans and Klingons could still be even a nuisance to them.

 

[Smiley]

Babaganoosh said:
Then the Organians must not be as advanced as they claim to be, if mere humans and Klingons could still be even a nuisance to them.

How advanced are we over flies and ants, and they can still be a nuisance to us. It's the same concept.

 

[Christopher]

^^Right. And as the Organians explicitly stated in the episode itself, they find the very presence of corporeal beings to be highly distasteful. It's all right there in "Errand of Mercy."