Ah. Thank you for clearing that up.
Q's fate
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This is probably coincidental, I am neutral to religion though respect all. I *do* by default know a lot about Hinduism and Buddhism but this is mainly a result of my interest in yoga. In particular, in Ashtanga Yoga where there are lots of references to the ancient texts of the Yoga Sutra’s of Paranjali. These *kind of* crossover a lot with the Vedas and Buddhist texts. Yoga itself though is *not* a religion. Perhaps my idea’s of science fiction/Star Trek have been somehow subconsciously influenced by these things?
Interesting,,,
The only other Q that might appear to have contact with the Federation until say late 26th century would be Q's son (in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see him make an appearance on Prodigy at some point).
Other than John De Lancie's Q's son, I don't see any other Q necessarily wanting to maintain contact with the UFP (at least until the 26th century because according to Disco s4, the Q hadn't been in contact with UFP past that point).
Nope, Q’s son was created as a result of procreation within the Continuum itself, a bit like making an imaginary friend for itself. This means that when De Lancie Q died, so did his son as they were one and the same consciousness projected in a comprehendible way to the corporeal beings interacting with them. Q needed to procreate with an external species separate from the Continuum to survive. This leaves the only possible future Q cameo to Amanda Rogers, the only Q/‘extra species’ hybrid that we know of, unless Jack Crusher was a Q in which case…. Wesley!
Or Corbin Bernsen.
Nope, Q’s son was created as a result of procreation within the Continuum itself, a bit like making an imaginary friend for itself. This means that when De Lancie Q died, so did his son as they were one and the same consciousness projected in a comprehendible way to the corporeal beings interacting with them. Q needed to procreate with an external species separate from the Continuum to survive. This leaves the only possible future Q cameo to Amanda Rogers, the only Q/‘extra species’ hybrid that we know of, unless Jack Crusher was a Q in which case…. Wesley!
Ah yes, I've read about your hypothesis that the Continuum was just an extension of Joh De Lancie's Q consciousness... interesting, but also not canon.
Though I forgot about Amanda.
Given the premise that we have no real reason to think that the Continuum vanished after De lanicie's Q died, the only options for Q's appearance going forward (at least up until the 26th century) would be Q's son and Amanda.
Q’s son returning would only make sense if Q knew that the Continuum was dying in the Berman era, therefore it ‘rebirthed’ itself in to a son with the two parallel Continuums living side by side until the 25th century when De Lancie Q collapsed in on to itself. Therefore Q actually resolved it’s own destruction in the episode “The Q and the Grey” when Q and Q mated with their fingers. If I recall, this had never happened in the Continuum before.
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The Continuum could actually have (re?)created itself when it procreated. The two fingers meeting could have represented the focal point of the hour glass existence of the Q Continuum. The ‘sand’ of time or Q’s demise had started to pass through the neck of the hour glass of it’s existence, Q died when all of the ‘sand’ had passed through in to the other hour glass bubble which we perceived as being Q’s son. Remember that the Q are beyond our comprehension so when people see them and their existence it is through a filtered perception that allows those interacting with them to comprehend and visualise the Continuum.
This cycle could repeat indefinitely making the Q immortal.
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Q’s son returning would only make sense if Q knew that the Continuum was dying in the Berman era, therefore it ‘rebirthed’ itself in to a son with the two parallel Continuums living side by side until the 25th century when De Lancie Q collapsed in on to itself. Therefore Q actually resolved it’s own destruction in the episode “The Q and the Grey” when Q and Q mated with their fingers. If I recall, this had never happened in the Continuum before.
There was no reason for this to happen before because the Continuum was comprised of immortal entities with highly advanced technology (which granted them their immortality and near omnipotence with virtually full control of space, matter and time - remember that even the Q have been said to have limits and weaknesses - SF was always smart enough to not see the Q as gods... just as highly evolved/advanced entities that DO make a good point occasionally when Q isn't 'playing' with them).
The Continuum (as a society) simply reached a stage where older rules were shaken up when Quinn started asking questions pertaining to suicide... then after being granted asylum on VOY and managed to realize his wish to die, it created a divisive society which led to the Q Civil War and prompted the Q to have a child.
The Continuum wasn't really 'dying'... it was stagnating because from their perspective they've done everything there is to do and have now twiddled their proverbial thumbs.
What they effectively lacked was an infusion of fresh ideas... and because they were practically the only species in existence on their level... they were also 'isolated' from the rest.
Its the reason why De Lancie's Q managed to occupy himself by interacting with regular biological entities (mortals if you will). They brought a sense of uncertainty and unpredictability into the equation which made his life more interesting.
It's also why he suggested mating with Janeway... aka, making a Q/human hybrid which would be something new (from the perspective of the Continuum).
Q having a child (via their version of procreation) brought new perspective into the Continuum/species I suppose.
Perhaps the one mistake the Q did were isolating themselves from the other 'mortal' biological species. It could be because of their own version of a prime directive, and also because they saw mortals as 'lesser beings'.
I'm guessing the Continuum could have potentially avoided some of their own internal issues had they simply interacted with mortal species more (perhaps acted as advisors, etc., but not necessarily share their technology so as to limit the influence they exert).
To my knowledge, I don't think the Continuum ever interacted with mortals in such a capacity.
Perhaps the 'lines of communications' would have opened up more when the UFP advanced... but given what we saw of the 32nd century, its also possible the Continuum simply decided to not bother anymore because things hadn't really progressed further since the 26th century (or the widespread use of Temporal tech prompted the Continuum to not involve themselves as much with mortals for fear of them wanting to use the Continuum for their temporal wars).
I agree, the Q are an advanced intelligence - so advanced that it created a pocket universe for itself. They had developed the technology to interact with the very fabric of time and space. Q technology works on a quantum and metaphysical level. It is so sophisticated that we can not perceive it through human terms and therefore it is represented to us on screen via projections which simplify it all for us.
The only rules that Q was abiding by were those of quantum and metaphysics. When it achieved a state of consciousness it might have created its own social rules and constructs for itself though. Quinn might have represented the Q wanting to end it’s own existence, the Continuum was having a civil war in it’s own mind, or at least that is how we mere mortals perceived it.
God like being’s do not get bored, they reach an enlightenment. Boredom is a human concept defined by our perception of the passage of time - the Q are beyond time and space.
This is why Q needed to rebirth, so that it could learn everything again. The universe might be finite, therefore it needs to rebirth to become infinite.
All interactions with the Q are only an interpretation. Who knows what kind of experiments or tests the Continuum were *really* putting the people and species that they encounter through - we just observe what the Q are doing through our own simple human perceptions and understanding.
Again, a Q hybrid experiment that we could only understand though simple terms as depicted in the episode.
The Q were not isolating, the trial never ends.
They were observing us, it was a trial. They could have even used their advanced tech to create universes. In fact, I am sure that Q did that in one episode. They could create universes and observe them in order to learn from them.
The Q either simply do not exist anymore or are still ‘small’ by the time of the 32nd century as the Continuum is still expanding outwards in to its new existence. The rebirthed Continuum might not be ‘mature’ yet, it could still be learning how to use all of the advanced quantum and meta tech that came through the hour glass with it.
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