Q Who Slice...

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by PhoenixIreland, Oct 9, 2008.

  1. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    What I'm doing is getting fed up with the coded sexism underlying the "Troi can't drive" gag. It's just the old misogynistic joke about women drivers in a new context. How many times did male characters crash the shuttlecraft they were piloting? But nobody ever blames them for the crashes, because our culture doesn't have a built-in stereotype about male drivers being inept. Only Deanna gets this kind of abuse, and I'm sick of it.
  2. lvsxy808

    lvsxy808 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 29, 2001
    All of this to me shows VOY's complete lack of creativity with regard to its Borg plotting. Anytime they need a Borg reference, it's "Oh let's just throw out Wolf 359" regardless of whether it actually makes any sense. If they could be bothered to come up with something more plausible that didn't require rewriting established history to make it work... but no. Wolf 359 is the obvious Borg reference everyone will always get, so we don't need to work any harder than that.

    It's like with Seven aswell. They needed her to be an adult in "Scorpion" so they had to say she'd been assimilated twenty years before the established first contact, screwing up continuity. Then a year later they come with the idea of the future-drone incubating to maturity in a matter of hours. If they'd just thought of that for Seven, they could have avoided rewriting all the history.
  3. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Kansas City
    Oh, I agree. I've spent much time trying to defend Troi's "driving" in Generations (and in NEM). Not sure I'd say it's sexism, but...

    Ok. There's quite a bit of sexism in it.

    I guess it's a good think Marina Sirtis isn't Asian, then people would REALLY be having a hoot!

    I agree, in the situation she was in in "Generations" Troi's piloting was quite good.
  4. Plecostomus

    Plecostomus Commodore

    Jan 19, 2008
    Official forum sex god

    Indeed, but I doubt she could have pulled it off without Data's help rerouting the controls, after all he could reroute around the crippled systems faster than any mere meat-bag could... and besides the whole "Troi is useless" routine is hilarious.

    That said I shold mention that "On-screen Troi Is Useless." She gets portrayed better in the TNG novels than she does on-screen, the difference between character portrayals is night and day.
  5. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001

    It really isn't.
  6. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    But the examples Christopher listed show that three assimilation references were to Wolf 359, while four were not. That's not "anytime".

    And indeed VOY went out of its way to put a more interesting twist to every single Borg fact we thought we knew from TNG. First contact wasn't by Picard at J-25 in the 2360s, but by others, elsewhere, elsewhen. Borg babies weren't born but assimilated. The Drones had inner lives, and enjoyed many benefits. The Collective was complicated rather than simplistic, and had aims and goals beyond the obvious or the stated.

    I have never gotten the argument that VOY "dumbed down" the Borg. Before VOY, they were half-baked cardboard villains, whipped out when a generic threat was needed and the Romulans had been used the previous week. Thanks to VOY, they became characters - indeed main characters worthy of opening credits!

    Timo Saloniemi
  7. diankra

    diankra Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 22, 2005
    You would hate the trailers for Voyager Virgin 1 is running in the UK: a series of captions between clips reading 'Lost, halfway across the galaxy, with a woman in charge. Figures'. Dreadful sexism, and not even coded (the one for Enterprise is almost as bad, but suggesting that you'll 'see a lot' of T'Pol is at least accurate at times).