antiquityscion
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After helping the Q end their civil war, why didn't Janeway ask Q to send Voyager home?
I smell plot hole!
I smell plot hole!
Q and the Gray
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That's not the plot hole. The plot hole is that this whole episode hinges on the Q having never reproduced before, when the whole plot of TNG's "True Q" is that Amanda Rodgers' parents were both Q!
Yeah, another Janeway inadequate decision is nothing compared to a CANON VIOLATION! How could they! That's unheard of!
Also... Amanda Rogers was a cute Q... Aaaand as much as I love Suzie Plakson, I'd rather see her as my favourite half-Klingon than some random Q woman that wants to have a baby. She does a good job as always though. And the ending made me crack a smile.
But one simple solution for everything: Blame Janeway
Also... Amanda Rogers was a cute Q... Aaaand as much as I love Suzie Plakson, I'd rather see her as my favourite half-Klingon than some random Q woman that wants to have a baby. She does a good job as always though. And the ending made me crack a smile.
But one simple solution for everything: Blame Janeway
1. Its "Q and the Grey"
2. The episode made ZERO sense, so the idea of it having a "plot hole" is laughable, the whole freaking plot was a giant hole.
2. The episode made ZERO sense, so the idea of it having a "plot hole" is laughable, the whole freaking plot was a giant hole.
The price. The terrible price.
okay here's a word that changed comics for me forever.
4 lines of background first.
Warren Ellis was writing a comic called "The Authority" about a mirror universe war where one universe wanted to pacifify the other universe by breaking it's will so it wouldn't have to worry about strikeback, insurrection or revolution for at least the next century.
The bad guys turned China into a "rapecamp".
killed all the men and methodically inseminated 1/2 a billion women tied to stretcher beds.
Honestly.
Did Janeway really want an infinite number of time travelling immortals to get an addicted fetish for human strange?
It's really no worsee than the horror stories of what the world bank has done to the third world. The developing world borrowed so many billions to no effect, that they can't afford to even pay off the interest on their loans forcing a criippling and inescapable cycling of debt that they are forced to borrow more to pay off what they already owe.
besides.
It's amazing what 4 years did to janeways personality...
The Q and the grey.
vs.
Q2
okay here's a word that changed comics for me forever.
4 lines of background first.
Warren Ellis was writing a comic called "The Authority" about a mirror universe war where one universe wanted to pacifify the other universe by breaking it's will so it wouldn't have to worry about strikeback, insurrection or revolution for at least the next century.
The bad guys turned China into a "rapecamp".
killed all the men and methodically inseminated 1/2 a billion women tied to stretcher beds.
Honestly.
Did Janeway really want an infinite number of time travelling immortals to get an addicted fetish for human strange?
It's really no worsee than the horror stories of what the world bank has done to the third world. The developing world borrowed so many billions to no effect, that they can't afford to even pay off the interest on their loans forcing a criippling and inescapable cycling of debt that they are forced to borrow more to pay off what they already owe.
besides.
It's amazing what 4 years did to janeways personality...
The Q and the grey.
vs.
Q2
"True Q" also stated that Amanda's parents had chosen to be essentially human and had stopped using their powers, and Q's mission was to determine whether she was a legitimate Q with inherited abilities or a hybrid with only some of them. So one could argue that her parents conceived her in a normal human fashion, and that her latent powers were an unforeseen development.
I didn't have any trouble following it.
And maybe True Q happened after Deathwish (state sponsored execution) or The Q and the Grey (babies) are from the Q's perspective all happening at the same time?
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Its not about whether you can follow it or not. Its about whether anything in the episode was remotely plausible or followed any kind of Q/Star Trek internal logic or not, and it wasn't.
You can also add everything she said about hating time travel, and then play Endgame.
IRONY THY NAME IS JANEWAY.
Besides, there was no excuse for anything that came after False Profits to even happen. No reasonable captain would have been screwed by two pathetic Ferengi the way Janeway got screwed.
I'm a little confused here. How, exactly, did Janeway screw over those Ferengi?
They did the screwing, or you could even say Janeway screwed herself. She had the little ingrates in custody and a wormhole in easy reach.
What does she do? She lets them easily talk her into letting them stay on the planet as gods, to continue screwing the natives. There was no justification for that. She ended up going about removing them the hard way in the end anyway, and it cost everyone their chance of getting home easy.
Even if she didn't want the natives to ever learn that the Ferengi were, in fact, not their gods. She could have just beamed down a "message" from the "gods" saying they were going to split for an indefinite time, or were picked up by the divine FBI for deity fraud. That way the lie is perpetuated, and everyone is happy and ignorant.
They were living it up on the planet, she turned up and ruined their good time. Thus screwing them.
Plausable? This is Star Trek, where Kirk fought the Greek god Apollo himself, and won. Where Janeway met Emilia Earheart on the other side of the galaxy. Where everyone, at one time or another, takes on space nazis.
It was as logical as the rest of Trek. A recycling of elements of "Death Wish" puts it firmly within Voyager's internal logic.
Yeah, it's certainly news to me that Star Trek had internal logic.
"The 37s" was terrible, and the sheer stupidity of the plot was a big part of that, so hardly the best defense.
The Q and the Grey had Tom Paris sneaking up on a Q and holding a gun to his head. The whole civil war setup was simply meant to represent what the Q was going through in a way humans could understand, but at the end we have an omnipotent Q being defeated by a human sneaking up behind him with a musket.
So, YES, that did contradict the internal logic when it came to the Q. And YES, Star Trek does have basic internal logic.
Your response is basically saying "Oh its just Star Trek, nothing can be taken seriously, its silly sci-fi" which I find to be absurd....AND somewhat offensive.
The Q and the Grey had a truly hilarious set up to be honest. Just imagine the sheer magnitude and impossibility of what we saw. That's like giving flatlanders triangles that translate into aeroplane control to help us fight a war. The sheer ingenuity required by such feet is incredible, and I think this has been the most unreal episode of Star Trek I've ever seen. The whole notion is just impossible for me to grasp.
